Who are people who find Christmas offensive

@Blopi

It's generally white, British born, (and raised,) atheist, social justice warriors who are 'offended' by Christmas. I have yet to meet anyone of any other culture or religion who is offended by Christmas.

In the market town several miles from my village, the post office is run by an Indian family, several restaurants and takeways are run by Pakistani, Turkish, Syrian, and Chinese families, and some of the shops and cafes etc, are run by Indian and Polish people. All of them have Christmas decorations up in their shop/restaurant, including a Christmas tree, and MERRY CHRISTMAS signs.

They all love it, and they celebrate it along with everyone... It baffles me that some councils ban Christmas signs and suchlike, because of a few woke, social justice warriors getting offended on behalf of someone else.

The 'don't call it christmas' brigade can jog right off.
I'm a pagan and the fact that christianity hijeacked our winter solstice could piss me right off but it doesn't.
I like the lights and colours in the depth of the winter and celebrate the fact that on the solstice the sun is returning and the long nights are going to start giving way to the light again and pagan calender spring starting on feb 1st.

It's been explained to you repeatedly now. The markets either run after Christmas so no Christmas branding, or they ARE actually called Christmas Markets. In addition people are getting bored of traditional Christmas Markets which causes issues when marketing ones that offer more than hotdogs pretzels wooden ornaments.etc..

Normally it’s based on some form(however far removed of “truth”) . People with an agenda trawl the internet for the “thing” , whilst ignoring all the other things that are not the “thing”. Then it goes all over social media, lots of engagement, some genuine , some not. Several posters of “my hairdresser’s cousin said/saw” or reiterating previous similar fabricated stories as fact and proof of past precedent. A lot of people don’t bother to fact check and there’s a high degree of confirmation bias.

Prime example is the Tesco evergreen tree. So many posters mentioned it, completely ignoring the dozens upon dozens of trees actually called Christmas trees. People see what they want to see. At least this one is funny.

A very depressing one was DD’s school being in lockdown. Multiple posts on FB and comments on articles about terrorism, what does the government know, yet another one,what is going on, schools under attack, and so , so much more absolute crap, hysteria and made up bullshit stated as fact. The reason for the lockdown was actually a suicide attempt, which left a child (that was already struggling) , severely injured. It was infuriating. No willingness to fact check or at least attempt to acknowledge the truth, even from some of the parents!

Absolutely! All these people bemoaning the loss of Christmas are usually the worst for not understanding advent or the twelve days of Christmas. They probably have a fairy on their tree too.

That's kind of how it works on forums. If people post made up nonsense, you can call them out. See the rest of this thread

Tik Tok probably. There's a reason Reform targets it.

Twinkling fairy lights. Is that better ?

Christmas has the monopoly on "lights"?

It gets dark by 4 o'clock!

I do not decorate my home. I do not find it offensive just can't be arsed as there is no reason to decorate it!

That's embarrassing for those posters, but it's also a really interesting phenomenon.

The market in question is very clearly called a Christmas Market, but those posters had somehow convinced themselves otherwise. Is this because they made incorrect assumptions? Because they have been consuming a whole load of misinformation online? Some other reason?

Where are people getting these ideas from?

Also Christians don't have a monoply on midwinter fesitivals of feasting and lights.

I love the sppoky pagan aspects of midwinter fesivals. It is part of the European Christaams tradition but it is also.older - Romans used to celebrate a mid winter festival calles Saturnalia that involved presents, feasts, bringing greenery indoors and telling ghost stories.

I work with a number of people that do not celebrate Xmas for religious reasons “, including JWs who do not come into the office during December in order to avoid all the decorations and Xmas food in the canteen.

I myself hate Xmas. Not for religious reasons, but because it’s so over the top and it seems to be very hard for other people to understand. I will politely say “I don’t celebrate Xmas” which seems to prompt people into cajoling me to join in. Just leave me alone! I’m sick of it already and it’s not even December yet!

Absolute right wing talking point word.

She might want to challenge what's being stated. I agree with her. People can do that without their decision to engage being questioned.

Councils have multi use branding to take them through the Winter season. Businesses need more than one off Christmas events to survive so Councils with successful markets have winter events right through. It's no anti Christmas conspiracy.

💯!!

Well it runs until January so not Christmas and I expect is intended to encompass Christmasness (using 'merry' and 'festive'). South Bank do have other Christmas events.

Yes I know technically there are 12 days of Christmas, but it's not widespread in practice (other than taking down decorations).

Why are you assuming the change must have happened in case anyone is offended?

Why do you talk about it in terms of "banning" or "policing"?

This is the right wing narrative that you seem to have bought into.

When Opal Fruits became Starburst or WHSmith became TGJones it wasn't because the wokerati were worried that people were offended by their former names, it was for solid commercial reasons.

Why can't someone have decided that Winter Fayre might be a better name to bring more people in? To distinguish it from the kind of big city Christmas Markets you get in Birmingham and Manchester? To keep people visiting even if they've done their Christmas shopping?

There could be any number of valid commercial reasons that you are unaware of but you are jumping on this "offence" narrative. Why?

Why is it riling you up so much though? Christmas is EVERYWHERE! It goes on for so long, it starts before Halloween, or even earlier. You can’t get away from Christmas markets, Christmas parties, Christmas cards, Christmas food, Christmas trees. It’s a huge commercial operation! If some organisations decide to do things differently and do Winter markets or they say Happy Holidays then who cares, it’s not like the word Christmas is in danger of dying out! I think the way they are trying to make it more inclusive is a bit silly but it’s not worth giving any headspace.

More likely that lots of people are looking to supermarkets and social media for their culture as Capitalism progresses, hardly a woke dream. Everything in a supermarket is a marketing decision based on research. More money to be made on the newer traditions of naughty elves and Christmas Eve pajama gifts anyway.
My local supermarket had its Christmas branded section out before Halloween, right next to the empty Halloween shelves. Months of reading the word Christmas.

Why do you click on a post if it bothers you so much?

My workplace has switched. It went from Christmas party to calling them Festive events for the last few years, and this year have gone back to calling it a Christmas party.

Which is great, as it's a party at Christmas, so lets call it what it is.

Not disagreeing with that at all. Just posing the question. If advent’ is rebranded as something else then surely it contributes to the tradition eventually being lost.

Christian socialist here. No we don’t perpetuate the myth, that is utter garbage. We understand other religious communities to be very tolerant and accepting of our religious festivals, as are we of theirs. It’s the Daily Mail and its ilk that perpetuate it.