To think that society does not require Botox

OP my Dd is a qualified nurse, who works in the field of aesthetics. Aesthetics is the professional name and is a lot more than Botox and Lips.

My Dd, says that some treatments are better started earlier because for some types of a
skin and wrinkles, later maybe to late.

Aesthetics in this country has been given a really bad name.

I personally don’t have anything done. But I do not judge anyone that does.

There is a world of aesthetics out there that you know little about, but judge the whole
profsession based on your judgment of a work colleague, who has made a personal choice.

I don’t feel that young women are forced to have these treatments but women have always been influenced by certain aesthetics of the times, in magazines, television and advertising.
SM, I presume depicts the aesthetic of today, which women look at and aspire to.

There has always been women who are beauty focused and there always will be.

My Dds demographic are women in their 50s, that can afford the more expensive treatments,
that are not Botox.

I thoroughly agree about cosmetic uses - especially when it’s younger girls using fillers or getting tooth implants or all these other things that will potentially have life long impacts.

Just to be that person though my Mum has Botox for medical reasons (to open her eyes when the muscles keep them closed, she’s effectively blind otherwise) - so some Botox is good, although I know that’s not the type you meant!

Valid points from article above- just replace facelift with botox;

Facelifts also perpetuate ageist, classist, all-around-oppressive beauty norms. (Of course, facelifts are motivated by ageism, classism and oppression as well, but crucially, do little to alleviate the material disadvantages individuals experience because of these systems and do nothing to challenge these systems .... And since “individual acts of conformity can strengthen these norms”, in the words of political philosopher Dr Clare Chambers, “individual acts of resistance really can matter”.

Lots of people lack critical thinking skills - she clearly does!

You don't consider yourself feminist - does that mean you don't believe in equal rights? I'm sure (& hope) I must be misunderstanding what you mean

Excellent article in the Guardian :
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/nov/20/why-do-i-want-a-facelift

I genuinely doubt that it is. But we have different perceptions of attractiveness. I'm very confident that not worrying about the natural effects of time passing makes me more relaxed and happier.

Huh? It’s so obvious when people have had it. You can lie to yourself but trust me, everyone knows.

Good for you. You obviously prioritise other things. My face without isn't unattractive but my face with is so much better 🙂

Not really anything for you to worry about though is it. You don't buy into it.
You'll be fine, although wrinkly 😉

I don't because I don't consider my aging face to be unattractive or something I need to pretend isn't happening.

Well I said people. I wonder why people don't get botox, aside from finances.

@JanitorLaidlawi always find that so funny. I get Botox and my mum regularly rants to me about how everyone who gets it looks stupid and plastic and fake…she has no clue I have it and have done for the past three years.

You have no idea who has it and who hasn’t. Neither do I. You’re just being pointlessly judgy.

Society might not need it but I bloody do

Because I don’t like the next generation growing up with a warped view of ageing.

It’s kinda hard when it’s in your face literally. Having to look at it is just annoying as it’s so unnatural and fake.

Also, I've been having it for over 10 years, no muscle wastage and I can assure you my muscles 'wake up' again after 3/4 months. Its really not a big deal. I don't understand why its so taboo. I genuinely wonder what you lot look like sometimes when these subjects come up.

Genuinely, why do you wish it would go away? How does it affect you in any way if youre happy with your choices.

You wonder why people don’t get Botox, put on make up or dye their hair? And you associate that with looking after yourself?

People? Or women?

What’s the point in feminism and equal opportunity if young women feel Botox is required

Fair pay, maternity rights, freedom of choice, all the things we take for granted like the right to work, inherit, own property? I don’t consider myself feminist, but that is a silly question.

Well yeah, society does expect that we all look as good as we can. That's nothing new. I think if she was blustering though she probably felt put on the spot.

I agree, I worry what will come next DD is only 9!
But I don’t care what anyone does to their face, I don’t like it, I don’t think it makes anyone look younger but perhaps I’ve only seen bad results performed by Jo down the road who also does gels! I don’t like overly whitened, capped teeth, the thick, sore looking brows and lip filler either.
I wouldn’t interrogate anyone though
and certainly not at work, god help her in twenty /thirty years if she’s started so young.

I want to do it but I haven’t because I’m worried about being one of the unlucky ones where it goes terribly wrong eg a droopy eye or something. People talk about Botox like it’s no big deal and easy peasy and I just wish I had your sort of confidence.