To think that society does not require Botox

The “fresh” look isn’t Botox. It’s skin care routine and products not injections.

Ive had it once and was nothing to do with society expecting it. I have extremely dry lifelong dry skin, and at almost 40 I have terrible lines around my eyes that make me look older than my age. So I tried botox. While it did work for the fine lines around my eyes it gave me these weird creases at the sides of my face - almost like two big deeper lines alone the sides of my face and down my cheeks. I couldnt wait for it to wear off as I just didnt feel like myself at all but my friend gets hers done (by the same dentist) and hers is lovely

There’s a real difference in looking f-ing fantastic with and without Botox etc. Both can be true. But users beware - it’s always noticed; people are too polite to say though.
That ‘fresh’ look is still a look and is still perceptible. But maybe that doesn’t matter.

I wonder how open people
are irl about their Botox habits? They’re happy to admit it here. Bit irl? I’m curious

"My biggest flex is loving myself in a system that profits off me hating myself"
This needs to be taught in schools before the social media brainwashing can muscle in.

I’m 30 - so her peer - and she’s clearly just a bit weird then isn’t she. Most people my age don’t post themselves all over the internet that much and are just cracking on with life. I have had Botox - it was offered to me free so why not - and liked that it stopped my forehead line being so deep. I don’t get it done because of the cost though. But I don’t give a toss about social media.

I have Botox every six months. I’m 40 and look fucking fantastic

I do not have Botox.....ever. I’m 40 and also look fucking fantastic. Happy in the skin I'm in, what's wrong with looking 40? Age is beauty.

I know a few younger ladies at work who pretty much impoverish themselves paying for incredibly expensive skin care, tretinoin/retinol, botox injection, eyebrow microblading, lip fillers, very expensive hair dye jobs & extensions, nails.

Its unbelievable the propotion of their income going on it!!

Nothing wrong with looking good, or very good, or 10 years younger. However people who overdo Botox, fillers, lip enhancers, plastic surgery etc often look ghastly and deformed. They may not think they do, and their friends probably won't tell them, but over doing the treatments results in disaster.

Nothing wrong with looking good, or very good, or 10 years younger. However people who overdo Botox, fillers, lip enhancers, plastic surgery etc often look ghastly and deformed. They may not think they do, and their friends probably won't tell them, but over doing the treatments results in disaster.

True. There's plenty who crave attention.

@Umy15r03lcha1 There are women who do seem to prefer to be noticed. As do some men.

If course, I agree with you. My point was that if you can tell then too much work has been done

I don't think that's its the person choosing to have btx who is seen as 'anti feminist'. Apart from the risks i mentioned upthread, its no different to getting hair or nails done to feel better - as long as someone is doing it for themselves, with no outside pressure. It's the perceived societal pressure which is seen as negative/sexist, that women will be judged different way to men may be for ageing, rather than the btx itself.

Historically theres always been things uaed to 'enhance' beauty. Arsenic back in victorian times

I have Botox every six months. I’m 40 and look fucking fantastic. I even have a good career and my own thoughts independent of my husband. I’m sick of the trope that it’s ’anti feminist’ to want to look good. I can be an independent woman and look 10 years younger

Ive also heard of women having it from that age to prevent frown lines.
It is sad when you see these young women,perfect the way they are ,freezing their faces and plumping their lips. Often it looks unnatural. Well if you can tell they've had it done it does!
I think SM does put pressure on them but I know lots of girls that age that dont have these procedures- well my daughter and her friends thankfully don't!
It may depend where you live and your peer group

I also think that on the whole people are polite and would never dream of saying ‘oh you’ve had something done!’ I think mostly you can in fact notice. But is that a problem? Do people who have work done want to keep it secret or are they happy to be up front about it? I know anonymous posters are. But in person? I don’t know…

@Umy15r03lcha1 You notice ott enhancement. You don’t notice discreet minor enhancement. Do you realise there’s a difference? Extremes are favoured by some women but not by all. I’m assuming you do understand that.

We walked past a woman with enhanced lips recently and DH said - jeeez what the hell was that!

People notice enhancements but not in a good way.

I guess the message is, if you can see work has been done then too much work has been done.

Why not have Botox if you want it? My niece started at 23, she’s 28 now and has it about once a year.

I don’t love lines on my face, some might, but if there’s something that stops them, fantastic. No-one is forced into having it.

I'm hoping I'll still be holding out at 59 too, as the 'still recognisable ' bit is so important. I like the face I have. I worry that some of the young women already tweaking will become unrecognisable over time, or just continue being unhappy with whatever face they have then.

For the flexibility, I've recently started yoga and pilates, because I'd started cracking every time I get up. The joys of sitting for hours at a desk as I get older 😊.

@Dweetfidilove I feel the same, and I’m 59! Honestly o quite like the look of my face. I’m still recognisable as the same person I was at 25. It helps that my weight has remained fairly steady and I’ve been careful with the sun. But yes, Im quite happy with the way I look. No doubt I’m less
visible, but again, I’m fine with that. And no doubt a 25 year fan of tweakments would be repelled by my fine lines. But that’s fine too!
I’m far more bothered by not being able to sprint like I used to, and losing a bit of flexibility. But as with my face, I don’t expect my knees to perform as they did at 25! Although all things considered I’m still quite a fit old bird!

It relates to a certain extent to muscle to toxin ratio. Yes the amounts going into the muscles in the face is much smaller, but then so are the muscles. A poster above mentioned their relative ended up with part of their face totally paralysed.

Even if a side effect is felt to be uncommon, patients should be made aware of it so they can make an informed choice. A patient may feel that the perceived benefits make the potential risks worthwhile, but they are rarely even made aware of them.

At 44 it is not something that even features on my radar, because I have nice line free, fresh looking skin.
I also believe 40 came with a nice glow, so still feel attractive. I'm not about to spoil that, just because I can afford injections 🤷🏾‍♀️...

There’s a bit of puffiness isn’t there?