What the heck! Trans women get periods apparently

Absolutely. No one is doing them any favours by encouraging the delusion that they can change their sex and become women.

While I completely agree that the biggest problem here is that it uses resources meant for women, I don't even think that it is very kind to tell these people that they need cervical smears rather prostate checks - the latter may not feel affirming to them but it would actually potentially save their life, but I bet they're very unlikely to go for one and telling them they actually do have a female body and need a gynaecologist is hardly likely to improve those odds.

Insanity!

Speaking as a real woman, I and no woman I've ever known has had that sort of reaction to receiving an invitation for cervical screening. Because, you know, it's not a 'bit of fun' for us, it's invasive and unpleasant, and for some women it's painful but we keep the appointment because it just might save our life.

But yeah, let these men have their fun and pretend that they need such procedures if it makes them happy.

Women will, of course, be more than happy to wait for their invitations while these men are being indulged because, as were told, women must be kind.

It apparently is not a fetish according to some people:

https://x.com/9mm_smg/status/1992257245929988138?s=46

When a male person celebrates receiving an invitation for a cervical smear that they will never need and so those resources are wasted, apparently there is no harm at all to female people to being ‘kind’ to those male people.

How many resources need to be expended, that should be focused on female people, to make a group of male people happy?

But, yes women and girls should be kind!

Being 'open minded' is presented in our culture as a positive thing, but we need to be able to say, no, there are limits.

We should not be open minded to behaviour that has the potential to harm others. Kinks/fetishes may be fine to express behind closed doors, with appropriate consent, but they should not be paraded in the workplace.

Extreme body modification is this person's right, but they need to accept that this will rule them out for jobs where their appearance will distract from their ability to do the job or impact the well being of those they are looking after.

It's all just common sense really, but that seems to be in short supply these days.

@AnSolas I agree. For one thing, his appearance is completely offensive and insulting to women. For another, someone with serious mental health issues should not be teaching children. See also this guy:

He said he hoped to show his pupils that they should accept people who are different from the norm. “Maybe when they are adults they will be less racist and less homophobic and more open-minded,” he said.

Tattoos might be more widely accepted than they used to be, but I don't want anyone who tattoos their eyeballs to be in charge of my children.

edition.cnn.com/2020/09/28/europe/sylvain-helaine-tattoo-teaching-job-scli-intl

If I was a parent in that school I would be objecting (refusing) to have my child taught by such a mentaly disturbed teacher who was so unprofessional as to bring his kink (mental health breakdown for politeness) into a classroom.

Children have their own crap to deal with rather than be forced to pander to an adult whos sole reason for contact with them is a contractual obligation to provide the
children with a education.

And it would be the same objection if it was an actual woman who had lost her grip on reality. But if it was a woman with that presentation I suspect would be stopped in its track before she walked into a classroom🤨

I wonder if the pupils get disciplined when they fall about laughing at the sight of him...

They are a great product but I no longer buy them because of their marketing. I want to feel valued as a customer not down the pecking order behind the larger handed customers.

Yeah, but you're the wrong sort of woman and you're womaning all wrong. So what would you know 🤷🏻‍♀️

Women who are only women by accident of birth aren't really women. Only those who chose to become women are truly women

(According to the LARPers, anyway).

Marks and Spencers had reviews on their women's underwear from men saying how naughty and sexy they felt when they were wearing it.

I appreciate some underwear can feel sexy when you're wearing it because you intend to have sex.

Most of the time though putting your M&S knickers on in a morning is as routine and boring as making a cup of tea or putting the bin out.

That's tonight's nightmare sorted!

The marketing staff salary/bonus contracts are as poorly designed as the branding concept 🙃

% of 5% v
% of 50%
should be a no brainer as to which market share is more important.

And page clicks mean nothing if they dont translate into actual sales

Mind you, remember these male people don’t need uteruses at all. The can use strap ons, too.

https://x.com/againstgrmrs/status/1991861659548434749?s=46

Everyone clicking on their website to see, and meanwhile the marketing team cheering how successful it’s been, look at all the traffic on our website.

This.

Now there are children being used as guinea pigs for hormone blockers... bloody sad 😔

@Caplin most people aren't taking issue with how someone identifies, but rather the company stating people are having periods who aren't, and then comparing hormone fluctuations to uterine bleeding, as if they are one and the same. My periods made me throw up and pass out when I was younger, I had to be medicated in various ways, one to stop womb contractions, would bleed like a tap. It's difficult to see a company saying that a period is a different thing to what we know a period is. A company trying to redefine what that is is discrimination against the people (whatever they identify as) who are actually experiencing menstruation.

I can imagine that many ex-customers don't admit their real reasons for abandoning 'right on' brands for fear of being labelled as TERF bigots.

This is accurate. Young and enthusiastic team member meets slightly jaded marketing manager who used to be a journalist and is only doing this job to pay the mortgage while juggling a sick dog/child/parent.

Meeting has already been going for an hour as younger team members go off on numerous tangents - fine, let's try the 'transwomen get periods too angle.'

Just get me the fuck out of here what happened to my dreams?

It's classic let's throw something at the wall and see if it sticks marketing.

Plus it was almost certainly written by ChatGPT, which is agreeable but very innaccurate, and it will as a result not rank highly on google because AI is now being used by google to spot AI generated content. So total waste of time.

Very shabby work all round.

He might be able to impersonate a woman more successfully if he was a bit more feminine and submissive?

Bit sexist and patronising to assume that no-one on Mumsnet has post-GCSE science qualifications

Came on to say this!

Thing is, period pants probably are useful for transwomen who've had surgery because it often leaves them with urinary incontinence. But they don't use that for marketing, I wonder why ?

I think people generally don't inform companies why they have stopped buying from them, unless there are full scale demonstrations or whatever.

When emails come in, it's hard to tell if they're indicative of the tip of the ice berg or just a few cranks. High ups in finance will never see that correspondence anyway, or not directly.

They'll need sustained commercial evidence (sales) and good feedback collection (market research and so on) to pin this on their gender policies

We've seen companies make changes based on this. Disney for example has backed away from a very 'progressive' / right on position when it became clear this was losing money for them. But it took a long time.

it is really difficult right now to tell why companies are going under. But if the CFOs think it's due to the direction their marketing is taking them, that would change sharp-ish.

If they were getting lots of correspondence saying "meh, not any more because of this" they might arrive at the conclusion more quickly (absent an uptick in orders)