To say that women look bloody weird ….

I'm sorry you felt so unattractive, and I'm glad you feel happier now. I honestly do still think you are fooling yourself if you think it all looks 100% natural though, just own the effort and time you've put in! Out of interest, did you look like the rest of your family before, and do you look like them now?

Are you always this belligerent when people don’t do what you tell them to do? I was sharing a personal account and this does not equate to having an opinion on other people’s personal motivations and behaviours. I have an opinion on the thread but that does not mean I have an opinion on why other women decide to have or to not have plastic surgery or tweakments, as I’ve already said, I think it’s complex. There we go. That’s my opinion. Do you not like it for some reason?

It's absolutely fine to discuss the societal impact of beauty trends on women and girls.

Nasty nasty thread designed to put women down and make them feel shit about themselves. Does not surprise me but is still so disappointing. I am sure you look wonderful yourself OP, are 100% happy with your looks and your body? If so good for you but there are many who aren't. Leave them be and get on with your own life eh?

Have you got large lips by any chance? I'm not insecure! I have Botox done at times in a small amount in my lips and I only ever have collagen injections under my eyes! It's not about being bitterly insecure! People are questioning why people let bad aestheticians deform their faces and how do aestheticians get away with it, just like how does Katie Prices surgeons get away with being allowed to keep giving her horrifically deformative surgeries and putting her life at risk from all the anesthetics? That makes us decent and right minded doesn't it? Like I said about Pete Burns, they absolutely fucked his lips up and put him through hell for years that probably lead to his premature death!

Also as a woman who has had to fight to build a career I hate to see women like swollen faced platypuses because I think "how are they going to be taken seriously" walking into an interview looking like that!

I was spectacularly unattractive until I started earning enough to do something about it. Not slightly awkward, but full on school and uni level bullying material, I was literally the prime target for pigging. And if you're old enough, you may well have seen me turned into a viral meme from an awful photo years ago (thankfully it eventually died out).

I wanted to be a mother, but I couldn't even manage to land a one-night stand. That's the scale we're talking about.

I wasn't interested in being a Roald Dahl moral lesson about "beauty on the inside". I wanted men to look at me and want me. And now they do. I've still kissed my share of frogs, but I've also had some genuinely good relationships with amazing men who wouldn't have given me a second glance before.

Of course people are allowed opinions but there is a huge difference between insulting people and expressing an opinion on plastic surgery in general. Noone has ever told me I look weird, quite the opposite actually 😉

If you felt the need to share an opinion about the thread, then you've undoubtedly got an opinion on the topic too. However, as previously stated, nevermind.

I've no answer for that, but I do think it's all in one's mind. My mother used to look in the mirror and only see all her faults. She couldn't see her good features. She just saw flaws and thought she was ugly, although she wasn't. I suspect had plastic surgery been around then she might have been tempted. She'd have looked in the mirror and thought it was an improvement.

Because I was sharing my personal experience and feelings about the thread. Not my opinion on the whole of womankind and plastic surgery/tweakments.

Why join in if you have no opinion?

An industry that promotes the idea that we need to change ourselves to be acceptable is more vile.

But people are allowed to have an opinion generally on what fillers and botox look like on other people. If someone looks at you they may well think you look weird and unnatural and that's fine. Humans can tell what is real usually. But telling you to your face is obviously not on and I hope no one ever has.

I'm not interested in an ass-backwards argument over how Plastic Surgery Is Feminist, Actually so I'll bow out of this one.

I don’t have an opinion on all women. I think it’s too complex. Sometimes we can recognise when our opinion on something we have no knowledge about would add no value. I’m sure there’s something you’d like me to say to prove your point though.

You are literally part of the problem- can you not see that? your attitude towards other women is vile.

I think the women must have felt rubbish about themselves to do it in the first place. Or at least felt their faces weren't good enough. That's probably the issue that needs to be solved. Self worth and being happy in your own skin.

Having said that it is interesting where you draw the line. All make up and skin care is trying to improve what you naturally have. Perhaps invasive treatment is just a step on from that. I just wish they would invent treatments that dont make you look like you are going to burst at any moment.

I wasn't asking you to speak for all women, I was asking your opinion, never mind.

maybe different UK areas say it different then. Just was interested in why I was seeing that instead of “mind your own” lol

Agree. I get botox - have done since I hit 40. I am not going to stop because I like the way it makes me look. Me. I care about my opinion of my face. Its for me and I dont care what anyone else thinks.

Insulting me and calling me weird isnt going to suddenly make me stop doing it 🤣.

I am happy to have a civil discussion about it and the societal consequences of cosmetic procedures being in the mainstream in general as I think its an important discussion, but being called nasty things- "weird" and "plastic"? nah you can fuck right off, not engaging with that kind of rude bullshittery.

Why have you felt compelled to get all your work done, honestly?

Where did I say that was the answer or a strategy? They were merely my feelings. Judgmental, sure, but this is MN - it barely scratches the surface of the judgmentalism that underpins this whole site.

The answer is for women to stop buying into misogynist beauty standards and to stop handing their money over to a misogynist industry. But that's not in my control.

I'd support an outright abolition of the entire tweakment/cosmetic surgery industry tbh.

As long as its personal choice though and not societal pressure. Which a lot of it appears to be. We need to encourage healthy self confidence in young women today and in this social media world teach them that appearance isn't the most important thing about them. Surely? Or have things changed so much since the 90s when I was in my 20s. Thank god we didn't have this carry on then. Life as a young person was so much more free. I blame mobiles for making us all examine our faces too much.

You don't understand sarcasm then?

How can I answer for all women? My personal reasons are not interesting to anyone else so no need to go into that.

My point is that women will always be scrutinised and judged for their appearances either way.