To say that women look bloody weird ….

Oh yay, this thread again. Let's all have a great time bashing other women for doing things to their own face that don't impact us in any way! Woo!

There's nothing wrong with lines, I was using better in terms of more attractive which is true to me. Personally I find laugh lines endearing and would never get nasolabial filler but forehead lines and 11s make people look cross. Men too, if that matters. For me it's like getting braces. I find teeth quirks attractive on other people but realise that is a niche so I like to have straight teeth, just like I would like smooth skin, a smooth forehead (botox won't entirely freeze your forehead, it depends on the units you get) and a nice fresh appearance.

I am curious about this obsession with looking "natural" though. I worked as a personal trainer for a while and had visible abs and muscles - its very obvious thats not a "natural" look- its very obvious someone has worked hard in the gym for it but it still looks great.

Same with women who dye their hair- few people have natural blonde highlights/caramel lowlights for example and yet people can look stunning with their hair dyed/professionally styled. Noone pretends they think its 100% natural

Shaving your under arms/legs- again, not natural.

Not everyone craves to look "natural" - makeup for example isnt "natural" but it can still look great on someone.

'It’s a shame they don’t realise they are more beautiful in their natural state.'

Has it occurred to you that you are not the intended audience? I think you are making an assumption that these women do it to impress the likes of you, when they most likely do it for themselves.

Nobody is telling a woman what to do! People are concerned about women being made to look ridiculous by shit aestheticians! I occasionally get a little botox in my lips because they are thin and I bet collagen injected under my eyes. I don't mess with filler in my face. My aesthetician is an ex NHS nurse with scruples and she fixes the lips that have been overfilled elsewhere and left the women embarrassed - at least the ones that realise they shouldn't have a duck bill.

As I've said on other comments, it can get damaging and dangerous for people to keep going through procedures and risking infections. Look at the lips Pete Burns was left with! Absolutely how prematurely he died! It's shame you are clearly a fan over over filling of faces and use misogyny as a bizarre attack on anyone right minded about it!

As long as humans keep reproducing and heterosexual men make up a large share of the population, physical appearance will matter for women. Maybe it's not the number one factor in every situation, but it's certainly in the top tier. Pretending otherwise feels disingenuous to me.

Yes, there is absolutely a real conversation to be had about social pressure, unrealistic beauty standards, confidence, comfort with aging and the body dysmorphia machine that social media has become. Those are important issues. But we can't have that discussion in some imaginary philosophical vacuum where being attractive doesn't give you a clear advantage in life as a woman - romantically, socially, or professionally. It does and it always has, from the stone age times perhaps. And acknowledging that reality is not the same as fully endorsing the pressures that come with it.

I'm sorry you felt so unattractive, and I'm glad you feel happier now. I honestly do still think you are fooling yourself if you think it all looks 100% natural though, just own the effort and time you've put in! Out of interest, did you look like the rest of your family before, and do you look like them now?

Your casual insult can get in the bin.

ive had 2 strokes & I don't look any different than before them (luckily) but even when people do, they don't look like they've cosmetically fucked with their face.

It's not about demanding people look natural, it's about telling people to drop letting bad aestheticians deform their faces!

I am curious about this obsession with looking "natural" though. I worked as a personal trainer for a while and had visible abs and muscles - its very obvious thats not a "natural" look- its very obvious someone has worked hard in the gym for it but it still looks great.

Same with women who dye their hair- few people have natural blonde highlights/caramel lowlights for example and yet people can look stunning with their hair dyed/professionally styled. Noone pretends they think its 100% natural

Shaving your under arms/legs- again, not natural.

Not everyone craves to look "natural" - makeup for example isnt "natural" but it can still look great on someone.

I am curious about this obsession with looking "natural" though. I worked as a personal trainer for a while and had visible abs and muscles - its very obvious thats not a "natural" look- its very obvious someone has worked hard in the gym for it but it still looks great.

Same with women who dye their hair- few people have natural blonde highlights/caramel lowlights for example and yet people can look stunning with their hair dyed/professionally styled. Noone pretends they think its 100% natural

Shaving your under arms/legs- again, not natural.

Not everyone craves to look "natural" - makeup for example isnt "natural" but it can still look great on someone.

There must be a word for that thing where people line up to tell women what they should do, how they should feel about their own bodies, and how they're allowed to spend their own money they earned... all so they can be good, obedient girls. It's on the tip of my tongue. Miso-something, wasn't it? Sounds like a lovely Japanese soup, but I'm fairly sure it isn't.

As long as its personal choice though and not societal pressure. Which a lot of it appears to be. We need to encourage healthy self confidence in young women today and in this social media world teach them that appearance isn't the most important thing about them. Surely? Or have things changed so much since the 90s when I was in my 20s. Thank god we didn't have this carry on then. Life as a young person was so much more free. I blame mobiles for making us all examine our faces too much.

I don’t mind, but you’re clearly annoyed that I wouldn’t play ball and start judging other women with you.

Have you got large lips by any chance? I'm not insecure! I have Botox done at times in a small amount in my lips and I only ever have collagen injections under my eyes! It's not about being bitterly insecure! People are questioning why people let bad aestheticians deform their faces and how do aestheticians get away with it, just like how does Katie Prices surgeons get away with being allowed to keep giving her horrifically deformative surgeries and putting her life at risk from all the anesthetics? That makes us decent and right minded doesn't it? Like I said about Pete Burns, they absolutely fucked his lips up and put him through hell for years that probably lead to his premature death!

Also as a woman who has had to fight to build a career I hate to see women like swollen faced platypuses because I think "how are they going to be taken seriously" walking into an interview looking like that!

It's absolutely fine to discuss the societal impact of beauty trends on women and girls.

I suppose it’s more do unto others as you’d have them do to you. You’re happy and comfortable judging others’ appearances. So as you’d understand - you’ll be happy to let others judge yours. So let us see the face of perfection..

As I said, nevermind.

I was spectacularly unattractive until I started earning enough to do something about it. Not slightly awkward, but full on school and uni level bullying material, I was literally the prime target for pigging. And if you're old enough, you may well have seen me turned into a viral meme from an awful photo years ago (thankfully it eventually died out).

I wanted to be a mother, but I couldn't even manage to land a one-night stand. That's the scale we're talking about.

I wasn't interested in being a Roald Dahl moral lesson about "beauty on the inside". I wanted men to look at me and want me. And now they do. I've still kissed my share of frogs, but I've also had some genuinely good relationships with amazing men who wouldn't have given me a second glance before.

Nasty nasty thread designed to put women down and make them feel shit about themselves. Does not surprise me but is still so disappointing. I am sure you look wonderful yourself OP, are 100% happy with your looks and your body? If so good for you but there are many who aren't. Leave them be and get on with your own life eh?

Of course people are allowed opinions but there is a huge difference between insulting people and expressing an opinion on plastic surgery in general. Noone has ever told me I look weird, quite the opposite actually 😉

Are you always this belligerent when people don’t do what you tell them to do? I was sharing a personal account and this does not equate to having an opinion on other people’s personal motivations and behaviours. I have an opinion on the thread but that does not mean I have an opinion on why other women decide to have or to not have plastic surgery or tweakments, as I’ve already said, I think it’s complex. There we go. That’s my opinion. Do you not like it for some reason?