To say that women look bloody weird ….

I do think there is some direct link between intelligence/level of education and number of procedures done. Just my subjective observation really, I could be wrong.

I'm also bemused by the jealousy accusations. Is it because the social groups that most like facial modifications view it as a sign of affluence and think the only reason you wouldn't is a lack of funds?

There are many women, including some famous actresses, who can afford to have it done but prefer not to.

Well said. I am in my fifties and ageing pretty well I think. Nothing to envy here. I have enough money for any procedure I want.

But there is no way I want the fake look that’s fashionable in some circles. I feel very sorry for these people, and have seen gorgeous 18y olds getting lip filler.

I would never insult someone to their face. Of course not. But it’s fine to have a discussion about why people feel the need to do this now and be quite so scared of ageing. And it does have an impact on the next generation as it starts to change expectations of what people should look like as they age.

I feel very free that I don’t feel the pressure to inject myself for the rest of my life. I am happy, confident, enjoy looking good and have friends who are the same. But I don’t need to inject products into my face.

Maybe we need more threads like this so people will think twice about having their next injection, despite being all defensive on here. These threads may subconsciously deter some, which would be a good thing.

You can't stop people being able to do what they want. It is driven by "fashion" just like in the 90s lots of plucked our eyebrows to smithereens, Currently its fashionable for the emotionless sex doll look with the oversized lips and lack of expression. Once this becomes the norm with the masses fashion for the next batch of youngsters with change. It's the normal cycle of fashion.

Exactly this. The people in my circles are without any kind of work (span in ages from 30 - 56). We can spot it a mile away even when it's supposedly subtle work.

My hairdresser has her lips filled and says it's subtle and she's really happy with it, no one can tell, all her friends say it's barely visible, etc. I've seen her friends; they all have work done of their own in varying degrees. So maybe they do trick themselves subconsciously into believing that it's subtle.

I think in other cases people just won't tell someone to their face that they obviously look like they've had work done, because they want to spare their feelings.

I also think it depends what sort of media is consumed, to a degree. If someone spends a large portion of their time following celebrities with lots of work done then that sort of face becomes normalised in their minds. Whereas to others it looks strikingly uncanny.

The jealousy argument does baffle me, though. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be jealous of. I'm 36 and look my age; I have an expressive face and I enjoy that. I'm not scared of aging. I could more than afford to get work done, but frankly the idea of seeing myself with filled lips and facial filler is laughable. I like how I look, little lines and flaws and all.

The blame lies with the brain who decided they needed it in the first place

I do wonder if somome had haemorrhoids would someone accuse someone of being jealous, i do wonder the iq of those who throw the 'Youse are just jealous' line around

Some women look horrific if they get too much work done but the blame lies with the aestheticians if you ask me.

I saw a video of Pete Burns the other day before he had any surgery. He was really nice looking. Such a shame. And it killed him in the end.

I think if you are surrounded by the type of people for whom these kind of procedures are normal, then it seems normal to you. In your social circle, fillers and injections are the norm so it has changed your idea of ‘beauty’. We are all influenced by our peers to some extent.

What a lot of work to get at a young age.

OP do you watch Selling Sunset? Even in season 1 they were always clearly Ladies who Maontained, but they're total uncanny valley now.
As for the blokes, it's now easy to tell identical twins Jason and Brett apart as Jason's face no longer moves. Was the weirdest thing watching him and Mary cry and mouth over their dog with their immobile faces.

I don't care whether they're "beautiful" or not but I fucking hate it in films.

Saw the new Dracula film the other day, and the lead woman had a visible lip shelf from filler. Her character spanned through the 15th and 19th century. It looked bloody ridiculous and it certainly wasn't just me commenting on it either.

Each to their own and all that, but if your job is literally based around being able to pretend to be someone else and show emotions (in the cases of those with Botox) then it seems fucking absurd to freeze or stuff your face.

I personally think it looks ridiculous, and even the ones who say it's subtle and no one can tell are lying to themselves. Whenever people say this and point out they've had it done, it's always a case of, "well yes. I knew that. Normal lips don't have a shelf from the side.". It is what it is but people getting offended that others think it looks silly need to self reflect on why. It's not exactly a good standard to set for our daugnters; stuff your face with crap to fit beauty standards and the male gaze.

What is a pornbot space alien.

This. I think it’s terrifying raising girls in a world that frowns upon women looking their actual age as they grow older.

Each to their own blah blah. Good to feel good blah blah. Just jealous blah blah. It’s like we need an Allen Carr guide to Botox. You only think it makes you look good (arguable after a certain point) because society has made you so scared of aging. Allen Carr argues smokers think smoking relieves your nerves but actually it causes the nerves. It’s a pity we think we need it generally but crazy in the young too.

There's a well known soap character who had a naturaly nice face... has now had so much filler.. botox... her naturally nice face is no more.. I'm not being bitchy I just think it's sad this is going on.

I mean, to be fair you posted this in AIBU and asked the question..? Some posters think you are. They are answering the question YOU asked. If you just wanted people to not have differing opinions, then don’t ask in AIBU and then get pissed off when some say that you are.

It's desperately misogynistic and abusive to accuse women of being jealous for having opinions that trigger you. It's very much an Andrew Tate sort of comment to make up imaginary motivations whenever a woman dares speak words that you dislike.

Amazingly enough, all throughout history, women have been able to dislike or judge negatively other women without feeling even the tiniest bit of jealousy.

I have found though, that women who are desperate for attention and have made a real arse of themselves in some way (like maybe paying to have a freaky space alien face and ruining their normal face) will shout yOuRe sO jEaLoUs when the reality is they engender pity, disgust, curiosity or fear - never jealousy.

And nope, we're talking about the freaky faced pornbot space aliens. Nobody is repulsed or weirded out by a little bit of good, natural looking work, done well.

But you already know that :)

Ooh, maybe they're one of the scary alien faced women and this thread has struck a nerve. That's great, if so, we've done them a favour. If not, yeah it's a bizarre over reaction to a completely average opinion and pretty uncontroversial discussion.

These posts make me laugh - I feel like there is a bit of bitterness and jealousy going on here.

People who haven't had work done always sat they hate it until they get it done themselves and realise they look 15 years younger and glowing and healthy.

Its like with weight loss - so few people are happy for their friend when they lose a lot of weight and look amazing! Often bitter and jealous.

Confident women dont feel the need to bring other women down. If you're so happy without fillers or botox then dont get them, but don't critisise women who do.

Its always the people WITHOUT botox etc who criticise those who have it. Never women WITH botox etc telling other women their skin looks awful. So it seems obvious who is the happy, confident group here!

It's not remotely awful. Walking up to a stranger and saying "Wow, you look like a total freak" would be awful. Commenting on a gross fad that makes women look like pornbot space aliens on an agony aunt type website is perfectly acceptable.

Hopefully one of the alien faced women will read this and rethink their terrible choices.

The reality is though, even if they do read it, they won't realise anyone is talking about them. You have to have a massive disconnect with reality to have the frozen face scary filler pufferfish look and be happy with it.

There's no chance any of the weird faced ones would read this, or believe it applied to them if they did.

THIS

It's only an opinion! Why are you so hostile!

I think the insecurity thing is why we should call it out. We are all being given the message that we should get rid of any signs of ageing as soon as they appear. So what these people do does affect us. We don’t all want to mess with our bodies and faces.

Yes it is awful for us to comment on women’s faces on a public forum but I have to say this and hope the person involved does not read this post or is immune to judgement like this because they are used to it because of being in the public eye.

I caught an episode of Graham Norton where Amanda Holden was the guest. I have always thought that she looks really great in her fifties and she does, but on that show you can see that she has had something done to her face and it looks bloody weird. It looks like her head is a bit too big for her body and there is a slightly plastic look to her face, which doesn’t move at all. She looks like the original Lady Penelope from Thunderbirds. What would she look like if she aged naturally? If she did I guess that would be another talking point so she can’t win. Sorry Amanda. You look great - just a bit like a Supermarionation puppet.