Cost of living felt easier under Conservatives

except that is totally not true it is not bankrupt at all and not many many have left you can look up the stats for that and many still want to come here , so if it is so bad why ? The economy can be shifted but only by making tough choices, such as looking where the vast amount if money goes, welfare bill needs cutting, overseas spending - cut a little whilst your own country not in its best financial position, look at nhs and how money is spent, can’t just keep taxing the middle earners or the very high. Put vat up on super luxury items like sports cars/ yacht and then still a choice. Loads that can be done, won’t all be popular but they aren’t anyway, make some bold choices and things turn around then maybe you get back in. But to say country is bankrupt is simply not true

Many people own a home due to RTB that would never of had the chance to, yes some abused it but the vast majority did not.got inflation under control, enviroment etc. were you even born then

Whilst I would obviously never want it in reality, I sometimes wonder what it would be like if we had a kind of monarch-style system of government: one party (or maybe a coalition) in permanently, so there could be no blaming what has happened or will happen on 'the other party' and neither could the governing party kick difficult decisions down the road in the knowledge that it would then become somebody else's problem.

As much as they blame and bicker nonstop, the current system (in England at least) of two parties who take it in turns to be in power - oddly very rarely reversing changes that they complained about bitterly when the other party made them when they were in power - suits them both perfectly, and absolves them both of long-term blame and responsibility.

yep

It's a major issue.

I think the bigger issue is globalism, which has created almost the exact same problem across much of the west. Low productivity, and no obvious way to increase it, and a population hooked on masses of cheap goods.

That's certainly true, but it is also true that the Blair years, though they seemed very financially comfortable, did not leave things in a good place. Had they remained they would have had to find solutions just like the conservatives did.

The UK is still paying off the PFI contracts Blair used to boost the NHS, happy to put the burden on the next generation and tie them into paying for the improvements he wanted then.

Will Labour eventually get the economy going somewhere?

the major issue now is the shift in demographics with an ageing population

I'm sure I have Irish relatives 🤪 something to explore.....

Such as?

They were quick to chuck a few bribes out when they realised they were going to lose the election.

I think what has mainly happened is the same trajectory the economy was on has continued. But I think that would have happened no matter who was in.

Will Labour eventually get the economy going somewhere? Personally I liked RS better for that. I did home that Labour would at least be sensible enough to see that somehow that has to happen but evidence isn't very compelling so far that they are even trying.

thatcher also did a lot of good for many people at the beginning , why she stayed in power .so its swings and roundabouts with all goverments. But lately they are all awful and offer nothing, so much so I didn’t bother to vote as there all pretty rubbish

the Blair gov did make mistakes, Thatcher did lots of damage too.

It wasn’t just that though was it ? Lets be honest. They gave a lot of money away, sold gold for minimal money. Took us into a war we didn’t need to go to etc etc Otherwise you can say conservatives were on up until covid and that wasn’t there thought either. The blair government were not great

Whilst I am not a fan of Gordon Brown, I doubt you can blame labour for the worst global financial crisis for 70 years.

Austerity came in as labour left the country in a mess previously , people have short memories. They also are not doing great now, they knew the defecit so manifesto should have considered this. They have u turned on everything Pretty much. I too am worse off and expecting to be more so with next budget. Basically both rubbish , no hope for british politics it seems. Net zero is also costing a fortune and will save hardly anything with just the uk doing it, pointless.

The Tories created mass poverty with austerity and then Truss crashed economy. That’s when they brought in fuel bill help. Warm hubs were set up by councils to try and mitigate the damage. Of course, the Tory destruction of this country goes back a lot further to Thatcher selling off our public assets and destroying workers’ rights. The current government are stymied by a vindictive media run by the ruling classes and are too risk adverse to take the necessary action to put right the damage of the Tories and Brexit .

Austerity
Brexit
Covid
Truss budget left people paying more for their mortgage.
The cost of living bungs were only to those on benefits
Not all utility co's refunded money. My bill is now permanently 250 a month for both gss and electricity in a 3 bed semi.

Labour are trying to keep things stable to improve lives in the longer run.
If either reform or green get in I'd expect financial disruption causing a similar impact to the truss budget.

There is plenty of money. It's simple profiteering by energy companies, banks, supermarkets, employers, in fact any and all corporations.
It has been lobbied for by said corporations and businesses. What we need is a windfall tax on excessive profits, a big rise in corporation tax and a wealth tax on all millionaires and billionaires.
The cost of living crisis is really a cost of greed crisis perpetuated in the main by successive Tory governments.
Added to this is the massive own goal of Brexit which has screwed our GDP among many other things 😡

Yes, or turkey. Christmas.

Felt easier under the Tories, @Poinlessss?

Frog. Boiling.

I guess some people saw their property value soar during the Tories so felt richer because of that.

This!

That's true. The BoE started printing extra money that year. From that point every hour you worked was worth less money. The money you managed to put into the economy, for goods and services rather than servicing the mortgage/rent on your insanely priced dwelling place, a lot of it was eaten up by Brexit. Truss crystallised this so that every £ you had, amassed by your already declined-in-value labour, had lower value still. And what little there was left swilling around for public consumption, got passed on to friends of boris for public funded contracts.

For sure there's no money. Don't forget who took it.

Brexit has really diminished us. Who caused that? The Tories. Fuck the Tories.