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And he showed up unannounced ... after I tried to help him.

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MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 18:42

This is the first thread I have created, so be gentle, ha.

Okay, I saw a post on Facebook from a neighbour I did not know at all, saying how lonely he was since the death of his wife six weeks ago. Lots of people were saying nice things but I know, having suffered many deaths, that what he probably needed was company and a mind diversion for a few hours.

I said he was welcome for a cuppa at mine, stressing it would be friends only, that I am not looking for a relationship at all (and I hoped that as he was only six weeks bereaved, finding someone else would not be on his mind).

He came over the next day, and spent a massive eight hours here, by which time I was way past my work start time but as I am self-employed and we were getting on great and with many interests in common, I didn't make an issue of it.

After he left, I very quickly received a message asking, 'Please please, can we do that again as soon as possible?' and by the next morning, a message saying, 'I am waiting like a kid at Christmas for your reply!'

He also told me he was going to be working next door to me on the Monday morning, obviously dropping this news into the chat so I could say, 'Why don't you pop in?' Of course, I did not say that or give any encouragement, from which he should have deduced I wasn't into the idea of meeting again so soon.

I also had the feeling he had somehow 'engineered' the work next door to me as he never mentioned that during the Saturday meet-up.

The first time I had seen him was on the Saturday, when he'd arrived at 1pm and left at half past nine in the evening. Bit long for a cup of tea!

I reponded to his messages without showing the same ardour (the ardent messaging was already giving me the heebie jeebies, giving vibes that he saw me as more than a friend) but I said we could meet up again when I was next free, but that he should be aware I worked a lot.

I stressed I'd let him know when I was off work, and that we could go out and do an activity. I again stressed 'It is nice to meet local friends.'

Incidentally, I really do work a lot, usually around 12-14 hours a day, each day, except Saturdays when normally, I go out with an archaeology group. After that, I always work through on the Saturday night/Sunday morn to catch up.

I also told him that I was about to work an all-nighter from Sunday eve to Monday morning, and that on Monday, I was going to be out on a job all night so needed to catch up on sleep between Sunday night and Monday daytime.

Anyway!

It came to half past nine this morning and there were a few knocks on the door. I had expected it to be a parcel delivery so I answered. AAAAGH! There he was, standing hopping foot to foot, waiting to be invited in!

I was bloody angry and said I had just worked nights and he'd woken me up, which was true, and I'd dragged myself from bed looking like Worzel Gummidge. I must have looked both horrific and horrified!

He was waving two coffees about, which he'd bought at a local garage. I don't even drink coffee and said so, then that I had to go as I needed sleep because I am tonight working all night on a difficult task just as I'd told him. And I closed the door on him.

I was both mortified and embarrassed that he'd put me in that position. What a $$$$ing idiot!

To top it off, I checked the members' names, and he has gone and joined the same club I am a member of, where we go out on Saturdays. So now, I have to expect him to show up there as well. He actually was a member of it two years ago before I joined, and he did not like it. The first thing he told me was how bad it was, trying to get me to opt out of it.

I am in two minds about whether I should message the organiser and ask them to boot him out as he only rejoined the minute after leaving here on the Saturday night!

That's the last time I feel sorry for a bereaved male neighbour which is a shame. I have several male friends who don't behave like this and have never shown up at the door. They wouldn't dream of it!

AIBU to have no tolerance for him showing up like that, and to not contact him again despite his messages still coming on Facebook?

I feel sad that he's lost his wife but it doesn't give him a ticket to stalkerish, creepy behaviour. It's even worse that we have a few good friends in common, and I wonder if he will try to blacken my name for not continuing with the contact.

Having seen how he tried to get me to opt out of the club I am a member of, I would not be surprised.

OP posts:
CiderandSprouts · 17/11/2025 23:27

He's a lonely, recent widower- not Jack the Ripper.

Franjipanl8r · 17/11/2025 23:25

I can’t get over the fact you let him stay for 8 hours!!! I spent 1.5 hours with my husband on our first date and that was more than enough!!

Happyjoe · 17/11/2025 23:22

WearyAuldWumman · 17/11/2025 23:17

He's a horror. I felt better once I'd spoken to the other women.

At the gym, another neighbour mentioned him...she was worried that he'd not been seen for a while. After I explained why I wouldn't be checking up on him, she told me that he'd spoken in an inappropriate manner to her teenage daughter!

Omg, teenage daughter?! He is a total sex pest, ugh again, gross. Will keep fingers crossed that he moves out of your neighbourhood soon 🙏and glad the other neighbours have stuck together.

Gettingbysomehow · 17/11/2025 23:17

OMG OP how horrendous. I really feel for you. Now Im in my 60s Im horribly blunt and would tell him outright that his behaviour is completely over the top and unacceptable.
Im afraid this is what you will have to do.
Does this fuckwit really think its ok to spend 8 hours at your place on first meeting and then turn up unannounced. I'd be livid. Just yuck.
Its fine to be horrible about it to him because he has a hide like a rhino and no self awareness whatsoever.
Wife or no wife I'd let him have it.

WearyAuldWumman · 17/11/2025 23:17

Happyjoe · 17/11/2025 23:15

No, it wasn't worth upsetting hubby for sure, plus sounds like you can look after yourself just fine with handling this sort of stuff! It's just the bloomin cheek of him, the no respect for a fellow human going through one of the toughest times that can be had and he had to think through his dick instead. Ugh.

He's a horror. I felt better once I'd spoken to the other women.

At the gym, another neighbour mentioned him...she was worried that he'd not been seen for a while. After I explained why I wouldn't be checking up on him, she told me that he'd spoken in an inappropriate manner to her teenage daughter!

Happyjoe · 17/11/2025 23:16

seafoamhair · 17/11/2025 23:14

What many people don't realise is that men are far more emotional than women. Men fall in love very easily, and feel love very intensely. Men are desperate to find relationships and to have someone to keep them company. Men are hurt far more by heartbreak. Unfortunately, this is the reason why so many men may exhibit desperate and clingy behaviour, when not being mindful of how women might perceive them.

Bollocks.

Sorry, that really made me chuckle. Succinct reply!

Happyjoe · 17/11/2025 23:15

WearyAuldWumman · 17/11/2025 23:10

I never told my husband - didn't want to increase his blood pressure. (He had a heart condition and had had a stroke.)

He used to feel sorry for the bloke because he was a widower.

Edited

No, it wasn't worth upsetting hubby for sure, plus sounds like you can look after yourself just fine with handling this sort of stuff! It's just the bloomin cheek of him, the no respect for a fellow human going through one of the toughest times that can be had and he had to think through his dick instead. Ugh.

seafoamhair · 17/11/2025 23:14

What many people don't realise is that men are far more emotional than women. Men fall in love very easily, and feel love very intensely. Men are desperate to find relationships and to have someone to keep them company. Men are hurt far more by heartbreak. Unfortunately, this is the reason why so many men may exhibit desperate and clingy behaviour, when not being mindful of how women might perceive them.

Bollocks.

shuggles · 17/11/2025 23:12

@MungoforPresident There's no issue with pushing someone away if you need time and space for yourself.

What many people don't realise is that men are far more emotional than women. Men fall in love very easily, and feel love very intensely. Men are desperate to find relationships and to have someone to keep them company. Men are hurt far more by heartbreak. Unfortunately, this is the reason why so many men may exhibit desperate and clingy behaviour, when not being mindful of how women might perceive them.

Bungle2168 · 17/11/2025 23:12

I’ll be generous and say that this, frankly bizarre, behavior is a manifestation of his grief.

He is not thinking rationally, so the safest thing to do would be to shut this nonsense down completely.

TheFluffyTwo · 17/11/2025 23:10

UnhappyHobbit · 17/11/2025 18:57

Oh no, I was reading this gasping at the horror I would feel if I was you! Time to go silent.

It may be a boundary issue but I don’t know how you can evict someone out of your house without being rude. Especially if they don’t get the hints. He’s latching on to you and your life as a distraction and that’s no good at all.

Sorry OP, I hope you manage to shake him off

Just felt compelled to offer my method for politely 'evicting' people from house visits when reasonable hints haven't worked. Especially if they're local and haven't come far.

Wait for a slight pause/ relatively natural lead-in and then gently prise yourself out of your chair with a sigh, smiling saying, "well, on that note, must get on, I suppose. Thanks so much for stopping by. It's been such a long time [other genuine pleasantry assuming you actually want them to still feel liked]. So lovely to see you." Combining it with collecting their teacup or similar and moving gradually in the direction of the front door while keeping up the pleasantries is ideal.

A person with reasonable social graces will immediately realised they're in danger of properly overstaying their welcome and be slightly mortified and in a hurry to leave you in peace (I have been this person - we all have!) but 'Must get on' is a classic phrase for a reason, just in case.

It's nice and non-specific so that the dense can't mistake it for an invitation to join in and the CFs can't try to argue you out of whatever activity you specify. Don't be tricked down that path if they ask exactly what you're getting on with! It's "oh, so much to do you wouldn't believe - it never ends, does it?"

CLAIM YOUR HOME BACK! :-)

WearyAuldWumman · 17/11/2025 23:10

Happyjoe · 17/11/2025 23:06

Jesus, what on earth? Am sorry you experienced this. I think creep perhaps too kind a description.

I never told my husband - didn't want to increase his blood pressure. (He had a heart condition and had had a stroke.)

He used to feel sorry for the bloke because he was a widower.

WearyAuldWumman · 17/11/2025 23:08

WearyAuldWumman · 17/11/2025 23:01

When I had problems with the old goat across the road, I let two other widows on the street know. They'd had similar, it turned out.

PS. I'm coming up for 66 and I'm no oil painting...but you should see him. (Sorry.)

I've said elsewhere on Mumsnet that he claimed to be in his 50s until he found out my age (via a conversation about pensions - outside the local shop) when he rapidly aged upwards. As I told the other widows "50? His teeth - maybe!"

IridiumSky · 17/11/2025 23:08

What a sad story. For everybody.

Happyjoe · 17/11/2025 23:06

WearyAuldWumman · 17/11/2025 22:48

I know that there are some lovely widowers out there, but I tend to avoid them.

I was widowed nearly 5 years ago and the old creep across the road from me even hit on me before my husband died.

I just avoid him now.

Jesus, what on earth? Am sorry you experienced this. I think creep perhaps too kind a description.

HighlyUnusual · 17/11/2025 23:06

ShiftingSand · 17/11/2025 19:50

My thoughts exactly. He’ll probably be mortified once a few months have passed by and the op might receive an apology from him. (Also with you about people in general 😊)

No, he won't be mortified because he's clearly inappropriate and boundary trampling, and after a few months, he'll have probably got a new girlfriend. I have seen it happen so many times with men, they prefer to grieve with a new woman to listen to their issues, rather than be single, deal with them and then launch into new relationships. The stats of marrying after bereavement for men vs women bear this out. He'll just do this to several women til he finds a new one.

JohnTheRevelator · 17/11/2025 23:06

Oh dear. Sorry you've had to go through this OP. This is exactly why I give zero encouragement to any man who shows the slightest interest in me now. I have come to realise that if I give them an inch,they take a mile.

cowslick · 17/11/2025 23:03

He wants more than 'friends' . Shut it down now completely. My new neighbour moved in in the summer, and while walking through the park with my earbuds in and sunglasses, he started questioning me 'Was I a teacher? How long had I lived here? Did I go out much? I did not answer his questions. I said 'Please leave me alone' That did it; he hasn't so much as looked my way since (too scared). Stop being nice, op. Shut that shit down. He'll get the message. If he doesn't tell him to fuck off, time to stop being so lovely with these intrusive, entitled men.

WearyAuldWumman · 17/11/2025 23:01

99bottlesofkombucha · 17/11/2025 20:25

I’d 100% notify the Sunday group that you were getting stalker vibes from this man who coincidentally has just signed up, and don’t want to be alone with him.

When I had problems with the old goat across the road, I let two other widows on the street know. They'd had similar, it turned out.

Happyjoe · 17/11/2025 23:00

shuddacuddadidnt · 17/11/2025 19:35

I know someone who married his dead wife's BFF two months after her death.

My dad got engaged to a neighbour 3 months after mum died. What made matters worse is she had the same name as my mum! My dad was not someone who could stand to be alone, but god, it was awful, but not as awful as when he phoned me up, stressed, to tell me he couldn't get it up and where could he get viagra. I am so not joking.. I tactfully said that perhaps it's because mum just died and his 'grieving' was stopping him. Never did like my dad much! 😁

WearyAuldWumman · 17/11/2025 22:59

ShiftingSand · 17/11/2025 19:50

My thoughts exactly. He’ll probably be mortified once a few months have passed by and the op might receive an apology from him. (Also with you about people in general 😊)

I know that at that stage of bereavement, I was desperate to hear from people. (It was Covid, so all communication was via phone.) Don't recall having an urge to find another man, however!

LBFseBrom · 17/11/2025 22:59

MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 18:58

I don't know. In life in general, I find people a lot more wary than I am and at the grand age of 60, this is the first time anyone has behaved like him.

We are all neighbours too, on a small development where we all chat on WhatsApp daily about the development. So although I have not spoken 1-1 to him, I think asking a bereaved person in our small close over for a cuppa is just normal.

It's his behaviour that is very weird!

It is very weird. I can't get over how he stayed eight hours when he first came round! I'd have said I have to say goodbye to you now, I need to do such and such. A couple of hours would have been enough.

He's making a nuisance of himself. Don't let him back in, please.

If he is a genuine guy, he'll realise he has overstepped the mark and back off, maybe even apologise, but he does sound strange at the moment.

You must put boundaries in place, Mungo. You made a kind gesture but have to protect yourself.

Good luck.

WearyAuldWumman · 17/11/2025 22:57

duchessofsilk · 17/11/2025 20:03

I am so sorry you experienced this OP but your experience is far from unusual.

I have seen at least 10 + threads on this site alone whereby a woman has been kind to a (usually much older) "lonely" male neighbour and he has completely taken advantage and it has eventually turned into unwanted sexual harassment.

I remember one thread in particular a woman said she felt uncomfortable with her older male neighbour who told her how lonely he was and kept knocking on her door for chats. It was about 50/50 split with 50% telling her to be wary and 50% berating her for being so cruel to a poor lonely old man who just wanted a cuppa and some company. Most of us told her that women arent support animals for men.

She came back to the thread later to tell us he had tried to make a pass at her. It was what most of us had suspected.

This man is already treading all over your boundaries by outstaying his welcome and knocking on your door when you havent invited him. NEVER invite him around again. He may be bereaved but if he is truly lonely then why doesnt he try to make friends with other men his age, or join the many social groups we have these days? why is it that it always has to be women to relieve men's loneliness?

Edited

Mind you, my late husband's ex goes looking for another man any time a partner dies or looks to be on the verge of shuffling off this mortal coil.

Her affair partner died and she had a widower well within a year. As soon as he died, she was hunting for former male colleagues on FB.

She got a message from the son of one of them explaining that, unfortunately, his father had dementia.

She eventually bagged her late sibling's neighbour - again, well before a year was up. Good for her, I guess.

When we first heard of the new chap, DH scoffed...I told him 'He's just a friend...She says he's cutting the grass for her.'

'Aye...cutting the grass... I know her.'

Dh was right.

When the newest bloke landed in hospital, she then set her sights on a previous partner's relative - whose wife had just gone into a care home.

Some people just refuse to be on their own.

StarDolphins · 17/11/2025 22:57

Oh op, what a ‘mare! The amount of stalkers/strange people I got lumbered with in my 20’s & 30’s because I felt sorry for them and didn’t want to upset them.

I think you need a zero tolerance outlook
now, it works for me! Like someone upthread said, no good deed goes unpunished!

He does sound odd so I would block & ignore.

cowslick · 17/11/2025 22:57

He wants more than 'friends' . Shut it down now completely. My new neighbour moved in in the summer, and while walking through the park with my earbuds in and sunglasses, he started questioning me 'Was I a teacher? How long had I lived here? Did I go out much? I did not answer his questions. I said 'Please leave me alone' That did it; he hasn't so much as looked my way since (too scared). Stop being nice, op. Shut that shit down. He'll get the message. If he doesn't tell him to fuck off, time to stop being so lovely with these intrusive, entitled men.

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