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And he showed up unannounced ... after I tried to help him.

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MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 18:42

This is the first thread I have created, so be gentle, ha.

Okay, I saw a post on Facebook from a neighbour I did not know at all, saying how lonely he was since the death of his wife six weeks ago. Lots of people were saying nice things but I know, having suffered many deaths, that what he probably needed was company and a mind diversion for a few hours.

I said he was welcome for a cuppa at mine, stressing it would be friends only, that I am not looking for a relationship at all (and I hoped that as he was only six weeks bereaved, finding someone else would not be on his mind).

He came over the next day, and spent a massive eight hours here, by which time I was way past my work start time but as I am self-employed and we were getting on great and with many interests in common, I didn't make an issue of it.

After he left, I very quickly received a message asking, 'Please please, can we do that again as soon as possible?' and by the next morning, a message saying, 'I am waiting like a kid at Christmas for your reply!'

He also told me he was going to be working next door to me on the Monday morning, obviously dropping this news into the chat so I could say, 'Why don't you pop in?' Of course, I did not say that or give any encouragement, from which he should have deduced I wasn't into the idea of meeting again so soon.

I also had the feeling he had somehow 'engineered' the work next door to me as he never mentioned that during the Saturday meet-up.

The first time I had seen him was on the Saturday, when he'd arrived at 1pm and left at half past nine in the evening. Bit long for a cup of tea!

I reponded to his messages without showing the same ardour (the ardent messaging was already giving me the heebie jeebies, giving vibes that he saw me as more than a friend) but I said we could meet up again when I was next free, but that he should be aware I worked a lot.

I stressed I'd let him know when I was off work, and that we could go out and do an activity. I again stressed 'It is nice to meet local friends.'

Incidentally, I really do work a lot, usually around 12-14 hours a day, each day, except Saturdays when normally, I go out with an archaeology group. After that, I always work through on the Saturday night/Sunday morn to catch up.

I also told him that I was about to work an all-nighter from Sunday eve to Monday morning, and that on Monday, I was going to be out on a job all night so needed to catch up on sleep between Sunday night and Monday daytime.

Anyway!

It came to half past nine this morning and there were a few knocks on the door. I had expected it to be a parcel delivery so I answered. AAAAGH! There he was, standing hopping foot to foot, waiting to be invited in!

I was bloody angry and said I had just worked nights and he'd woken me up, which was true, and I'd dragged myself from bed looking like Worzel Gummidge. I must have looked both horrific and horrified!

He was waving two coffees about, which he'd bought at a local garage. I don't even drink coffee and said so, then that I had to go as I needed sleep because I am tonight working all night on a difficult task just as I'd told him. And I closed the door on him.

I was both mortified and embarrassed that he'd put me in that position. What a $$$$ing idiot!

To top it off, I checked the members' names, and he has gone and joined the same club I am a member of, where we go out on Saturdays. So now, I have to expect him to show up there as well. He actually was a member of it two years ago before I joined, and he did not like it. The first thing he told me was how bad it was, trying to get me to opt out of it.

I am in two minds about whether I should message the organiser and ask them to boot him out as he only rejoined the minute after leaving here on the Saturday night!

That's the last time I feel sorry for a bereaved male neighbour which is a shame. I have several male friends who don't behave like this and have never shown up at the door. They wouldn't dream of it!

AIBU to have no tolerance for him showing up like that, and to not contact him again despite his messages still coming on Facebook?

I feel sad that he's lost his wife but it doesn't give him a ticket to stalkerish, creepy behaviour. It's even worse that we have a few good friends in common, and I wonder if he will try to blacken my name for not continuing with the contact.

Having seen how he tried to get me to opt out of the club I am a member of, I would not be surprised.

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duchessofsilk · 17/11/2025 20:03

I am so sorry you experienced this OP but your experience is far from unusual.

I have seen at least 10 + threads on this site alone whereby a woman has been kind to a (usually much older) "lonely" male neighbour and he has completely taken advantage and it has eventually turned into unwanted sexual harassment.

I remember one thread in particular a woman said she felt uncomfortable with her older male neighbour who told her how lonely he was and kept knocking on her door for chats. It was about 50/50 split with 50% telling her to be wary and 50% berating her for being so cruel to a poor lonely old man who just wanted a cuppa and some company. Most of us told her that women arent support animals for men.

She came back to the thread later to tell us he had tried to make a pass at her. It was what most of us had suspected.

This man is already treading all over your boundaries by outstaying his welcome and knocking on your door when you havent invited him. NEVER invite him around again. He may be bereaved but if he is truly lonely then why doesnt he try to make friends with other men his age, or join the many social groups we have these days? why is it that it always has to be women to relieve men's loneliness?

MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 19:55

InterestedDad37 · 17/11/2025 19:47

Trouble is, they often find women who are happy to take pity on them.
Old friend of mine, useless on his own, turned into a total tramp within weeks of divorce - married to a neighbour within 18 months. Another one to one of his deceased wife's best friends, herself recently divorced, within a year. Neither particularly happy marriages, but just people propping each other up.

You're so right, and it is great to have a male input as well. Thank you!

I did take pity on him but no more than I would have if it had been a woman in the community. I am probably blinkered by the fact I have several fantastic male friends with whom I can also pass a very happy afternoon without clock watching.

(Note I said clock, not .... Oh, never mind ...)

I can't think of anything worse than being with someone just for emotional support. I'd get a support dog!

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TalulahJP · 17/11/2025 19:54

His head is saying shes not interested but his heart and dick are saying well she might be so I should get in there and not feel sad any more….

He probably needs boundaries established. You may have to tell him repeatedly youre not interested in dating as it feels like he’s not got the message.

cuddles = shag.

sigh. Men.

MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 19:51

TheatricalLife · 17/11/2025 19:45

Oh god, this reminds me of when I naively befriended the awkward, quiet guy at work who was often on his own because I felt sorry for him.
He stalked me for months, had to be forcibly removed from my office by another member of staff and I had to get DH to pick me up for weeks as he used to wait for me outside for hours after he finished so he could catch me walking out. When DH arrived he would zoom away on his bike down the footpath. Honestly scared me to death. Learned my lesson, never again. The extent of my friendliness was smiling and saying hello and how are you, nothing more.

Gawd, this is awful. And even worse at work when everyone else can see what is going on! The outright shame, and the bit I just can't get my head around, is that if they did not behave in such an unhinged way, they'd make a sincere friend. They are their own worst enemies.

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ShiftingSand · 17/11/2025 19:50

AmberRose86 · 17/11/2025 19:14

I don’t tend to like people and this shit is why. So needy.

However…he’s lost his wife 6 weeks ago and probably isn’t in his right mind. Not that that is your problem of course. But I suspect in 6 months time he will look back at this time and want the ground to swallow him up 😳

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My thoughts exactly. He’ll probably be mortified once a few months have passed by and the op might receive an apology from him. (Also with you about people in general 😊)

InterestedDad37 · 17/11/2025 19:47

Trouble is, they often find women who are happy to take pity on them.
Old friend of mine, useless on his own, turned into a total tramp within weeks of divorce - married to a neighbour within 18 months. Another one to one of his deceased wife's best friends, herself recently divorced, within a year. Neither particularly happy marriages, but just people propping each other up.

MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 19:46

Yamamm · 17/11/2025 19:41

Oh I am cringing. The man has no self awareness and grief doesn’t excuse his behaviour.
Be ready for the next time your paths cross. He sounds so desperate that the message has to be clear. As PP said he’ll no doubt find a new one very soon and you don’t want awkwardness with your neighbours. It’s a shame he has lost a friend when he could do with one.

I agree, such a shame! I would have liked a new friend too, being relatively new here. But I do not get along with people who foist themselves on others.

At heart, I am a really private and fairly insular, self-contained person and I do not even knock unannounced at my closest female friend's door, even though she lives just a few doors away. We always make an arrangement by WhatsApp and neither of us just shows up.

One thing I am grateful for is my eight-foot wall that surrounds my house on all sides. Sod's law, this morning, the gate was open due to expecting the parcel. Never again.

I will have to have the couriers launch all my deliveries over the wall like they do at other homes in the area. 😅

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TheatricalLife · 17/11/2025 19:45

Oh god, this reminds me of when I naively befriended the awkward, quiet guy at work who was often on his own because I felt sorry for him.
He stalked me for months, had to be forcibly removed from my office by another member of staff and I had to get DH to pick me up for weeks as he used to wait for me outside for hours after he finished so he could catch me walking out. When DH arrived he would zoom away on his bike down the footpath. Honestly scared me to death. Learned my lesson, never again. The extent of my friendliness was smiling and saying hello and how are you, nothing more.

Yamamm · 17/11/2025 19:41

Oh I am cringing. The man has no self awareness and grief doesn’t excuse his behaviour.
Be ready for the next time your paths cross. He sounds so desperate that the message has to be clear. As PP said he’ll no doubt find a new one very soon and you don’t want awkwardness with your neighbours. It’s a shame he has lost a friend when he could do with one.

MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 19:38

shuddacuddadidnt · 17/11/2025 19:35

I know someone who married his dead wife's BFF two months after her death.

OMFG! There are no words for that, @shuddacuddadidnt!

Aaaaagh! Next time I open my door, he will be down on one knee. Nooooo! You have implanted a horrifying image into my head!

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shuddacuddadidnt · 17/11/2025 19:35

I know someone who married his dead wife's BFF two months after her death.

BillieWiper · 17/11/2025 19:26

I think you'll just have to be very busy. Politely tell him you WFH on confidential calls all the time do can't really have visitors in the day. And if he invites you to an evening thing then again be busy.

If he keeps pestering you after you've declined just ignore further messages.

It's a bit annoying he's being this way but hopefully he'll get the message.

MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 19:26

nomas · 17/11/2025 19:20

Any time I’ve taken pity on a man, I’ve sorely regretted it.

I am coming around to your way of thinking, @nomas! Pity the bext man who posts in the group that he is lonely! For 'lonely', I will be reading 'creepy!'

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HoppityBun · 17/11/2025 19:25

My thinking is that if he had an ounce of self-awareness he would have realised that he’s widely overstep the mark. Surely he would’ve realised that you were horrified when he appeared on your door, uninvited, with a coffee you don’t want and clearly having woken you up. He hasn’t, which is probably not surprising given the fact that he’s now re-joined your group.

You’re going to have to do all you can to damp down his enthusiasm, and also, to be on the safe side,explain to others that your u are only trying to show him a little kindness after his bereavement- in case they all get the wrong idea from what he tells them!

nomas · 17/11/2025 19:20

Any time I’ve taken pity on a man, I’ve sorely regretted it.

MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 19:17

AmberRose86 · 17/11/2025 19:14

I don’t tend to like people and this shit is why. So needy.

However…he’s lost his wife 6 weeks ago and probably isn’t in his right mind. Not that that is your problem of course. But I suspect in 6 months time he will look back at this time and want the ground to swallow him up 😳

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Thank you, @AmberRose86! That is a really good point. Let's hope so. I am half expecting him to turn up with flowers next, to say sorry ... and there begins a cycle!

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MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 19:15

Letsgodancing · 17/11/2025 19:12

It really does sound like as another poster said 'no good deed goes unpunished' but well done on standing your ground this morning.
Some men do rely on women for all their needs and once she is no longer around, literally they will go to anyone who will have them and waste no time, whereas women tend to cope much better on their own.
This man will probably be moved in with another woman 3-6 months. Poor lady !

You are so right, @Letsgodancing! Or he may have moved in with another woman in 3-6 weeks, never mind months! 😂

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AmberRose86 · 17/11/2025 19:14

I don’t tend to like people and this shit is why. So needy.

However…he’s lost his wife 6 weeks ago and probably isn’t in his right mind. Not that that is your problem of course. But I suspect in 6 months time he will look back at this time and want the ground to swallow him up 😳

MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 19:14

ShamrockShenanigans · 17/11/2025 19:09

I said this because in his message in the group chat, he was saying how much he missed cuddles and that he hoped to find a partner again, but not yet.

Oh, ok.

This would've rang very loud alarm bells for me considering his wife's body was barely cold.

Yes, when I read it, I took it a bit differently in that his Facebook page is 100% about his wife. So, I thought the loss had been immense. I have seen this tendency in both men and women before, that when they have lost someone so pivotal, they just can't stand being alone for the bereavement period.

It was in that light that I took his comments, that he was missing her so much and couldn't stand the thought of aloneness in perpetuity. I think what was nice about him is that he had not one bad word to say about his wife.

My other male friends tend to speak badly about ex partners (but none has lost a partner through death, which is different, of course). So, this was novel to hear a man speak so well of his late wife, and I thought he really missed her! It may be that in life, he actually smothered her.

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Letsgodancing · 17/11/2025 19:12

It really does sound like as another poster said 'no good deed goes unpunished' but well done on standing your ground this morning.
Some men do rely on women for all their needs and once she is no longer around, literally they will go to anyone who will have them and waste no time, whereas women tend to cope much better on their own.
This man will probably be moved in with another woman 3-6 months. Poor lady !

MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 19:09

And I am peed off that I now can't have a friendship with someone I got on well with, as he's been a complete arse.

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ShamrockShenanigans · 17/11/2025 19:09

MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 19:01

I said this because in his message in the group chat, he was saying how much he missed cuddles and that he hoped to find a partner again, but not yet. Whenever I meet a man as a single friend, I habitually make clear that I am not searching for any more than friendship.

If he hadn't mentioned being open to a new partner, I would not have mentioned it to him either but I'd have been more cautious because I would not have given him a clear message. As it is, I don't think I could have been clearer as I dropped the F word (friend!) in at every opportunity!

I said this because in his message in the group chat, he was saying how much he missed cuddles and that he hoped to find a partner again, but not yet.

Oh, ok.

This would've rang very loud alarm bells for me considering his wife's body was barely cold.

MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 19:08

WiddlinDiddlin · 17/11/2025 19:03

I would speak to some of the people you mutually know, and say:

'I've ballsed up here, I was just trying to be kind and now he's like a fucking limpet - I don't want to upset him but I do only have the odd half an hour free each week for a brew... you know him, what would you say?'

That way you're getting in there first with that side of things.

If you bump into him at the club, treat him like everyone else and if he angles for an invite to yours after you can tell him, ideally in front of others, that you're very busy as you've used up all your spare time recently and need to get on.

I don't know why you didn't boot him out after an hour the first time, look at your watch 'gosh is that the time, I have an online meeting in 10 minutes... off you pop, take these biscuits I won't finish them' and shovel him out the door!

Haha. This is great advice about speaking to the other members! I will do that.

I might even do it word for word because I like the fucking limpet bit!

I did not even notice how much time had passed until the last hour as I am not a watch wearer and we really did get on great. But I have so many male friends with whom I can have a chat and a giggle for eight hours and they have never behaved weirdly. Had I realised the time though, he'd have been out way sooner!

And he ate all the cake.

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TomatoSandwiches · 17/11/2025 19:07

I'm sorry but this is a lot of men, I always tell well meaning women now that men do not need our help, they do not need help from women, if they need assistance then they can ask men or go to their GP, look up organisations for what they want/need.

The risk is just too great for women to take them on like this.

I hope your albatross gets the hint and pisses off.

MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 19:05

Cherrysoup · 17/11/2025 19:01

I’ve had a series of friends like this, they latch on, massively overstay their welcome, then eventually, I get so pissed off I have to step right back. I can’t cope with such intense time for hours, quick cup of tea and I’m there, otherwise, hell no! He knew you were working through the night yet still knocked on the door? I hope you went proper nuts.

You are spot on, @Cherrysoup and I did go proper nuts. I am surprised the rest of the neighbours didn't show up to see what I was shouting at. Or who I was shouting at!

I feel grateful to have met only the one like this. :) And I am glad that others have had the experience as well!

Yeah, eight hours was a bit much. I was only getting irked by it in the last hour because I don't wear a watch either, so thought it was about five!

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