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And he showed up unannounced ... after I tried to help him.

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MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 18:42

This is the first thread I have created, so be gentle, ha.

Okay, I saw a post on Facebook from a neighbour I did not know at all, saying how lonely he was since the death of his wife six weeks ago. Lots of people were saying nice things but I know, having suffered many deaths, that what he probably needed was company and a mind diversion for a few hours.

I said he was welcome for a cuppa at mine, stressing it would be friends only, that I am not looking for a relationship at all (and I hoped that as he was only six weeks bereaved, finding someone else would not be on his mind).

He came over the next day, and spent a massive eight hours here, by which time I was way past my work start time but as I am self-employed and we were getting on great and with many interests in common, I didn't make an issue of it.

After he left, I very quickly received a message asking, 'Please please, can we do that again as soon as possible?' and by the next morning, a message saying, 'I am waiting like a kid at Christmas for your reply!'

He also told me he was going to be working next door to me on the Monday morning, obviously dropping this news into the chat so I could say, 'Why don't you pop in?' Of course, I did not say that or give any encouragement, from which he should have deduced I wasn't into the idea of meeting again so soon.

I also had the feeling he had somehow 'engineered' the work next door to me as he never mentioned that during the Saturday meet-up.

The first time I had seen him was on the Saturday, when he'd arrived at 1pm and left at half past nine in the evening. Bit long for a cup of tea!

I reponded to his messages without showing the same ardour (the ardent messaging was already giving me the heebie jeebies, giving vibes that he saw me as more than a friend) but I said we could meet up again when I was next free, but that he should be aware I worked a lot.

I stressed I'd let him know when I was off work, and that we could go out and do an activity. I again stressed 'It is nice to meet local friends.'

Incidentally, I really do work a lot, usually around 12-14 hours a day, each day, except Saturdays when normally, I go out with an archaeology group. After that, I always work through on the Saturday night/Sunday morn to catch up.

I also told him that I was about to work an all-nighter from Sunday eve to Monday morning, and that on Monday, I was going to be out on a job all night so needed to catch up on sleep between Sunday night and Monday daytime.

Anyway!

It came to half past nine this morning and there were a few knocks on the door. I had expected it to be a parcel delivery so I answered. AAAAGH! There he was, standing hopping foot to foot, waiting to be invited in!

I was bloody angry and said I had just worked nights and he'd woken me up, which was true, and I'd dragged myself from bed looking like Worzel Gummidge. I must have looked both horrific and horrified!

He was waving two coffees about, which he'd bought at a local garage. I don't even drink coffee and said so, then that I had to go as I needed sleep because I am tonight working all night on a difficult task just as I'd told him. And I closed the door on him.

I was both mortified and embarrassed that he'd put me in that position. What a $$$$ing idiot!

To top it off, I checked the members' names, and he has gone and joined the same club I am a member of, where we go out on Saturdays. So now, I have to expect him to show up there as well. He actually was a member of it two years ago before I joined, and he did not like it. The first thing he told me was how bad it was, trying to get me to opt out of it.

I am in two minds about whether I should message the organiser and ask them to boot him out as he only rejoined the minute after leaving here on the Saturday night!

That's the last time I feel sorry for a bereaved male neighbour which is a shame. I have several male friends who don't behave like this and have never shown up at the door. They wouldn't dream of it!

AIBU to have no tolerance for him showing up like that, and to not contact him again despite his messages still coming on Facebook?

I feel sad that he's lost his wife but it doesn't give him a ticket to stalkerish, creepy behaviour. It's even worse that we have a few good friends in common, and I wonder if he will try to blacken my name for not continuing with the contact.

Having seen how he tried to get me to opt out of the club I am a member of, I would not be surprised.

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Zanzara · 17/11/2025 21:43

UnhappyHobbit · 17/11/2025 18:57

Oh no, I was reading this gasping at the horror I would feel if I was you! Time to go silent.

It may be a boundary issue but I don’t know how you can evict someone out of your house without being rude. Especially if they don’t get the hints. He’s latching on to you and your life as a distraction and that’s no good at all.

Sorry OP, I hope you manage to shake him off

This is surely an occasion, if ever there was one, when the immortal MN phrase, "Off you pop, Cuntychops!" could be usefully employed?

(Runs off to wash mouth out with soap)

MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 21:43

BoredZelda · 17/11/2025 21:30

Yeah, this was weird to me too.

It was a case of making clear that I was not looking for more as he had already said in the group that he missed cuddles as well as someone to talk about his day with, and so on. I was not going to be offering any of those but could do plentiful mugs of tea and chatting!

I am very used to having to make clear that I am open to friends but nothing more as I work almost solely with men (in the job where I do meet colleagues. My day job is one in which I meet no one at all).

He was already saying he would foresee a partner again eventually, and I did not plan to invite him for a cuppa without absolute clarity that only friendship would ever be on the menu.

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ChachaIntheLongrun · 17/11/2025 21:33

Minniliscious · 17/11/2025 19:01

This is also why I’m extremely antisocial! People can take the absolute piss. I don’t envy you OP but you’re doing the right thing by distancing yourself and not giving in.

me too - I have tried so many groups and being open to various people - good deed never goes unpunished

ChachaIntheLongrun · 17/11/2025 21:31

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 17/11/2025 18:47

Oh dear. This is literally why I am an antisocial bitch until I get the measure of someone.

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Me too, I am like that to any neighbour, male or female until I got the feel

BoredZelda · 17/11/2025 21:30

ShamrockShenanigans · 17/11/2025 18:55

I must admit I was pretty shocked that you'd say to a man who'd only lost his wife 6 weeks ago...

"I said he was welcome for a cuppa at mine, stressing it would be friends only, that I am not looking for a relationship at all (and I hoped that as he was only six weeks bereaved, finding someone else would not be on his mind)."

But it seems like you had some sort of gut instinct maybe?

Yeah, this was weird to me too.

ChachaIntheLongrun · 17/11/2025 21:29

I was wondered how men find someone immediately after death of obviously not so beloved wife, especially on here....on mn...so that is how - with pushing to the limits

MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 21:26

rainbowsandraspberrygin · 17/11/2025 21:12

I’m intrigued by your job OP!!!

Thank you! I am a book editor and ghostwriter in the day, surveillance contractor by night nowadays.

I used to work in close protection until the income from book editing and ghostwriting became a better way to fund most of my outgoings.

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Nsky62 · 17/11/2025 21:19

shuddacuddadidnt · 17/11/2025 19:35

I know someone who married his dead wife's BFF two months after her death.

That is soon

noctilucentcloud · 17/11/2025 21:12

99bottlesofkombucha · 17/11/2025 20:25

I’d 100% notify the Sunday group that you were getting stalker vibes from this man who coincidentally has just signed up, and don’t want to be alone with him.

I agree with this.

rainbowsandraspberrygin · 17/11/2025 21:12

I’m intrigued by your job OP!!!

MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 20:55

TheatricalLife · 17/11/2025 20:48

Oh I'd be exactly the same! I've deleted messages without ever opening them before as I don't want to give hope through seeing I've read them.

Exactly this! I picture him at his screen, watching, lurking ...

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MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 20:52

PracticalPixie · 17/11/2025 20:45

Ugh he is being awful and I do think he might look back some day and cringe!

That said, when he said he was missing his wife, especially the cuddles and that he wants a new partner someday, but not yet...and then you said "come over for a cup of tea with me...just friends though".... do you not think he was putting out feelers saying "I want sex but not a relationship yet"? And then you inviting him over for tea to him was you saying, "come and have sex with me"!

He probably thought he'd smoothly sorted out a FWB situation.

Anyway, you are kind. He is being a tit. Don't take pity on strange men onlinr from the local area you've never spoken to before and invite them to your house. If you were my friend I'd be giving you a lecture about personal safety tbh

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Ha. Who knows what this man was thinking! To be honest, in the eight hours he was here, he did not try it on once, and we never discussed relationships or anything personal like that so I do think he did not set out with that intention.

But after he had been here, maybe that intention popped up. Or something else did!

We mostly chatted about what we had found on our digs in archaeology, and he showed me his (ooh er), and I showed him mine.

We talked about antiques, houses, and cats as we both have three. Then we discussed our mutual friends, and the developer of my house who did a runner before finishing the development, and who has been kicked out of the county by angry people.

When he left on Saturday, I had only would-be friend vibes. Even though he scoffed all the cake.

Just a PS as I saw your extra bit ... I think I was safe enough as I work with the police for Job 2, and I worked as a close protection operative.

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TheatricalLife · 17/11/2025 20:48

MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 20:33

He has sent me several messages on Facebook. But I can only see the first line of one of them, and have set it to mute for now.

I am not keen to look in case he declares he can't live without me!

Oh I'd be exactly the same! I've deleted messages without ever opening them before as I don't want to give hope through seeing I've read them.

PracticalPixie · 17/11/2025 20:45

Ugh he is being awful and I do think he might look back some day and cringe!

That said, when he said he was missing his wife, especially the cuddles and that he wants a new partner someday, but not yet...and then you said "come over for a cup of tea with me...just friends though".... do you not think he was putting out feelers saying "I want sex but not a relationship yet"? And then you inviting him over for tea to him was you saying, "come and have sex with me"!

He probably thought he'd smoothly sorted out a FWB situation.

Anyway, you are kind. He is being a tit. Don't take pity on strange men onlinr from the local area you've never spoken to before and invite them to your house. If you were my friend I'd be giving you a lecture about personal safety tbh

MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 20:36

99bottlesofkombucha · 17/11/2025 20:25

I’d 100% notify the Sunday group that you were getting stalker vibes from this man who coincidentally has just signed up, and don’t want to be alone with him.

Thanks so much. This is really useful input!

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MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 20:33

TheatricalLife · 17/11/2025 20:26

Has he tried to contact you since you shut the door on him? Fingers crossed he's got the message.

He has sent me several messages on Facebook. But I can only see the first line of one of them, and have set it to mute for now.

I am not keen to look in case he declares he can't live without me!

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TidyCyan · 17/11/2025 20:33

InterestedDad37 · 17/11/2025 19:04

You were kind, he took it the wrong way. Get annoyed with him if necessary, and angry at him if need be. I've seen this in action from other divorced/bereaved men, who can't or won't simply look after themselves when life demands that they do so. It's all a bit pathetic imho. Give him short shift.

Yeah, so have I. So many posts on here from the daughters of widowers suddenly introducing them to Catherine from church or Sue from the golf club. My uncle met and married the receptionist at his vet within about 8 months.

MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 20:28

SparklyGlitterballs · 17/11/2025 20:21

I find it hard to believe you didn't realise over nine hours had passed. It must have been dark for hours. I don't wear a watch either (none of my family do) because we have the time readily available on the front of our phones. Did you not look at your phone once, or even have a wall clock in your house? Did you not feel hungry when a meal time had passed?

I avoid phones. Always hated them! Because I do two pressured jobs, I keep the phone face down and tend to conduct my life on the laptop. I didn't feel any time pressure at all until that last hour, mainly because I was getting sick of endless brews!

It must have been dark for hours but the time flew by. I also have a male friend in Cambridge, where we meet at lunchtime in a Cambs pub, and have both been shocked to see it is late when they kick us out at closing time.

That's the thing when you have lots in common, in this case, lots of interests shared. Time just whizzes by. I was shocked to see it was half past nine when he departed because the last time he'd looked at his watch, he'd said 'is that the time?' and it was four, just pre-darkness.

No clocks in view either.

The only sense of 'it must be getting late' came when I realised how often I was putting the kettle on, and also, one of the cats needed an eye clean which is usually every five hours.

And my regular mealtime is about 10 pm because I work nights. :)

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TheatricalLife · 17/11/2025 20:26

Has he tried to contact you since you shut the door on him? Fingers crossed he's got the message.

AdoraBell · 17/11/2025 20:26

YANBU OP

Keep him at arm length and when he turns up to the club I would tell a few people that you felt sorry about his loss and offered a cuppa, then couldn’t get rid of for 8 bloody hours.

99bottlesofkombucha · 17/11/2025 20:25

I’d 100% notify the Sunday group that you were getting stalker vibes from this man who coincidentally has just signed up, and don’t want to be alone with him.

MungoforPresident · 17/11/2025 20:24

duchessofsilk · 17/11/2025 20:03

I am so sorry you experienced this OP but your experience is far from unusual.

I have seen at least 10 + threads on this site alone whereby a woman has been kind to a (usually much older) "lonely" male neighbour and he has completely taken advantage and it has eventually turned into unwanted sexual harassment.

I remember one thread in particular a woman said she felt uncomfortable with her older male neighbour who told her how lonely he was and kept knocking on her door for chats. It was about 50/50 split with 50% telling her to be wary and 50% berating her for being so cruel to a poor lonely old man who just wanted a cuppa and some company. Most of us told her that women arent support animals for men.

She came back to the thread later to tell us he had tried to make a pass at her. It was what most of us had suspected.

This man is already treading all over your boundaries by outstaying his welcome and knocking on your door when you havent invited him. NEVER invite him around again. He may be bereaved but if he is truly lonely then why doesnt he try to make friends with other men his age, or join the many social groups we have these days? why is it that it always has to be women to relieve men's loneliness?

Edited

Thank you so much!

He is definitely not coming over again. That line was drawn the moment I saw him dancing about just outside my door, waving coffee at me. I mean, as I had already said that I needed to sleep in the daytimes to prepare for night shifts, what he thought a caffeine-laden coffee would do for me, only he knows.

Plus, as he discovered on Saturday, I have a really good kettle and a cafetiere.

It showed me in that one action (well, two ... coming unannounced and buying coffee) that he did not listen to a word I'd said.

I usually tend not to think 'man' or 'woman' if that makes sense.

I haven't encountered weird men really, never been harassed by any, and have some great friends who never tried it on with me. But there always has to be one!

I just saw someone whose lifelong partner had just died. I don't treat men any differently than women.

Note, once, I had a female stalker who, when she found my gates locked, hitched up her skirt and climbed over them, then spent an hour knocking at the door and peering through windows!

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SparklyGlitterballs · 17/11/2025 20:21

I find it hard to believe you didn't realise over nine hours had passed. It must have been dark for hours. I don't wear a watch either (none of my family do) because we have the time readily available on the front of our phones. Did you not look at your phone once, or even have a wall clock in your house? Did you not feel hungry when a meal time had passed?

wonderegg · 17/11/2025 20:14

He wants sex.

It's very obvious- the "cuddles" reference when his wife has only just died doesnt really mean cuddles, it means sex.

He sounds like a very unpleasant man to me who doesnt respect women at all.

Thepossibility · 17/11/2025 20:06

This is exactly why I keep male neighbours at a distance, polite but not too friendly. I don't need this shit where I live. And before I get the Not all Men'ers coming for me I have enough lived experience to have learned from my mistakes and come to this sensible decision.