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Well you either have to sit an exam or prove your comprehension skills in some way or you just have what we have had for 1000 years.

I thought the whole point of jurors was that they were supposed to be normal average people and defendants were judged by their peers. Until recently if you were legally qualified (so would understand what was going on) you couldn't sit as a juror anyway. Im a solicitor and I would have huge trouble concentrating through a long fraud trial.

Yeah this was my thought. 3/12 being led by one juror is pretty scary though!

Of course it does. However I think the problem is wider than that.

That is just guaranteed to wind everyone up.

Regarding juries there is also the problem of herd bias. One example being the case of the councillor doing slitting throat motion about far-right people who was found not guilty straightaway. There is no chance of fair trials if we get in an OJ situation.

That is in addition to in some areas swathes of people being unfit for jury duty due to language problems. Are women in some communities even allowed to participate? One fears not.

I think nowadays people often have shorter attention spans and reduced capacity to follow verbal output.

In some complex financial fraud cases, maybe.

Otherwise it's perfectly possible for both counsel to present their evidence clearly and understandably and it's up to the judge to direct the jury and to sum up.

Lack of language comprehension hinders that.

The problem is non-assimilation - caused by sheer weight of numbers and technology. In the past there was the tv… or the tv. Now people can live in a bubble of their own culture quite easily.

I think there should be an English language proficiency test before coming to UK - for legal immigration. As it is we are continuously importing a first generation with marriages. One of the independent MPs is leading a campaign for the UK to fund a large new airport in Pakistan for to-ing and fro-ing.

Well its been going for nearly 1000 years so presumably it worked OK up until people who couldn't speak the language were asked to become jurors.

Where did I say it was OK for people not to understand or speak the language at all? I was merely pointing out that jury service suffers from wider comprehension issues.

How can you say that?

So because you think some jurors don't have enough comprehension in their language then it's ok for some not to understand, or speak, the language at all.

These a people who decide what someone's life.

I can totally believe that. They may have been worried they would have been accused of racism.

Well that didn’t happen in this case! The women said they couldn’t speak English and the staff shrugged/didn’t believe them

Well that didn’t happen in this case! The women said they couldn’t speak English and the staff shrugged/didn’t believe them

There are actually plenty of native English speakers unable to understand or follow the legal case they're assessing as jurors. The problem isn't just a language issue

The Judge, defence, prosecution barristers & court officials would not allow this.

Fellow juries would also highlight, as should the pp DH.

The ability to understand English is a requirement to be on a jury and interpreters are not allowed.

Prefering diversity over justice. Terrifying. And mental. Why don't the government or any of our governments do something about this ridiculous situation our country is in? Something fundamental rather than tinkering for political expediency.

Thats what Mahmood said.

Utter bonkers, Albania isn't at war, has no famine.

700!!!!!!

Corp Tax is already competitive, 19% or 25% over 50k and no NI, they can also sell and get CGT relief

Look at business taxes in Germany? around 36% or the US? flat rate of 21% plus state taxes, up to 11% in addition to the federal rate.

Investors get ISA allowances of 20k per year, 40k as a couple, all tax free, pay just 24% as a higher rate payer and no NI.

It would be better if we junked some CO2 taxes and reduced industry energy costs.