Labour's new policies for asylum seekers

Edit: sloppy punctuation. I think my meaning is clear.

I am resident in the UK for purposes of inheritance DH is solely resident in the UK. Our estate planning is based here.

"I also have the impression that there is a fair amount a moderately wealthy family can do to hide from IHT. We aren’t interested so I don’t know the details. Those loopholes should be closed."

@poetryandwine I quote your PP but feel I should point out that as you are a US citizen for tax purposes, you will presumably have your estate taxed under IRS rules. In which case you will be aware that the threshold for inheritance tax in the USA starts at north of $25million, rather than £325,000 as here. That's quite the fortress you are building for protection of your family fortune.

Bit rich IMO as you are arguing on behalf of the downtrodden mass of migrants who won't be a welfare burden on tax payers.

I'm not that poster but it came from the home secretary.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/asylum-and-returns-policy

Right...but many go on to seek asylum and access all the services in my post.

So in response to your initial comment "Do you really think people migrate for the privilege of waiting 5-10 years to be eligible for benefits, or for the starvation rations I have just quoted from gov.uk?" the answer is many people do migrate not for the privilege of waiting years to access state benefits but because they do get housing, limited money per week, access to healthcare, social care and education. Which is paid for by the public purse.

So although they have no recourse to public funds re-state benefits there are a number of reasons why the public services they are entitled to access makes the UK an attractive prospect.

They're not all in hotels, many are living in privately rented accommodation paid for by the state, with their kids in school, they're accessing NHS healthcare and often social care and even attending further education themselves.

Gov.uk shows that as of June 2025 only 1.5% of those on UC have refugee status. Refugees are not a big driver of the crisis with benefits.

Over 83% of UC claimants are British and Irish born, same source.

I cannot find a source for your statistic about over half of refugees being on benefits after 8 years. What is it?

Asylum seekers are not new immigrants. Their immigrant status is not yet known.

Asylum seekers can access public housing, they just don't get to choose it.

And have access to healthcare, including hospital care, mental health care, free prescriptions, opticians and dental.

And education. It's mandatory for asylum seeking children to attend school but adults can also access higher education.

Plus social care input.

They can't claim benefits but access alot of things which are paid for by the public purse.

But they just work in the black markets or disappear, and many are happy to play the waiting game for the freebies at the end. Did you see the statistic that over half of asylum seekers are still on benefits 8 years after arriving? This is utterly mad and far from the ‘they’re such hard workers and many are doctors’ guff that is repeated ad nauseam without those posters checking the facts

Labelling everyone who is concerned about migration “vile racist” and likening them to nazis is just ridiculous.

A lot of the migrants are fleeing warn torn country’s. But a lot of them are also economic migrants and are placing strain on housing and resources.

I think maybe sarcasm was at play there?

What handouts?

New immigrants are barred from public funds for 5 years, now to become 10 years. This includes public housing. Those waiting for an asylum decision receive the munificent sum of £49.95 weekly. If their shelter provides food, very loosely defined, and many shelters do, this decreases to under £10 weekly

Do you really think people migrate for the privilege of waiting 5-10 years to be eligible for benefits, or for the starvation rations I have just quoted from gov.uk?

It’s a bit lost in the thread now but my pint was about a lack of assimilation that can come from rapid high immigration and ghettoisation.

I don’t know how it happened but my husband said they couldn’t understand any of the evidence or anything that was going on and another juror needed to translate into Gujarati for three women.

It’s moderately likely they applied for a working or student VISA from India or Pakistan, but unlikely they came on a dinghy.

And next time you need your gallbladder removed,remember that it is quite likely that your surgeon will have come across the channel on a dinghy - be grateful!

I don't stand on any side in this, but I think this is not as "quite likely" as some people try to say considering the numbers...
Making claims like that when numbers don't support it just gets people's backs up

Exactly.
And that dinghy-doctor may have thrown his papers away so we dont know where his medical qualification came from. But who cares. Better him than some A* white public school boy rejected from medical school on the basis of "diversity".

What does it matter if most of the country is concreted over if it means we can offer sanctuary and a better life to 100 million+ of the worlds' most vulnerable people? They are fleeing hellholes like France ffs - have some sympathy!

We need less trees anyway, since they are the boomers of the natural world and drive demand for carbon dioxide which is fueling the climate crisis!

And next time you need your gallbladder removed,remember that it is quite likely that your surgeon will have come across the channel on a dinghy - be grateful! And how the hell will our pensions be paid if there are no Deliveroo drivers and Uber drivers paying in!

Be kind!

Not off the top of my head no 😬

But whatever is said about DT make sure it’s added to CT for a person starting a business. Don’t just view in isolation.

It needs to be competitive to PAYE so you get people taking a risk, starting something new and potentially employing people including young people.

Do you know of any economic studies concerning the yields to the economy with various projected DT rates?

Great question. We seem to have a very high proportion of younger people not economically active or in training. This isn’t good for the economy and I suspect relying on benefits unnecessarily isn’t good for individuals.

Protecting the vulnerable is important and the horror stories about failing to do that are highly concerning. When jobs don’t exist, society must step up. But I’ve also seen the explosion in a lesser ability on the part of many YP to cope and statistics reflect that their MH is a big part of the benefits problem.
How do we solve this?

There is probably need for some to suck it up and take a job, but it can certainly be more complex. Many mums post here about DC with mild disabilities who would be thrilled to work min wage jobs (that they are well qualified for) but cannot get past prejudice.

I don’t think it helps for politicians to concentrate on punitive approaches without giving people realistic pathways to success

Thats simply not going to happen.

There are very specific rules on juries and being able to understand English is paramount.
There is even an act of parliament on it, its a valid reason to be excused.

There is also form to fill out, so how did they do that? and produce some of the form at court.

A judge does not direct the jury on the verdict normally, just on points of law.