Labour's new policies for asylum seekers

I think it’s about time that something was done to make the UK a less desirable country to enter. If it works as a deterrent then great because the amount of people entering the country can’t go on, there has to be a limit at some point.

I became a strong advocate for removing the franchise from the white working class of t

Then you're a fascist

I'm fed up with righteous people, often of the left, who are so certain of their moral correctness, that they feel others with different views should be removed from democracy.

If you can't persuade by argument and example then there's probably something wrong with your theories

Sigh. As expected… The good news for you is that you can find research and sources of information on the internet - should you be motivated to find it… which I’d guess you’re not, confirmation bias and all that. But one never knows.. Good luck!

I mean in theory you could just say ‘but there’s room for more houses’ until we are a large city state, couldn’t you?

But we are hideously overpopulated. Our air is polluted, our water is polluted, our wildlife is declining at a scary rate. We now have more people than acres. Our food security is non existent. You seem to think somewhere is only overpopulated once the entirety of it looks like Tokyo.

’Small greengrocers’ - what?! Do you seriously think ‘locally grown food’ means shopping at a greengrocer? You think they grow their olives and oranges in the UK? It’s not an issue of ‘locally grown food not selling’, it’s a case of ‘we do not have enough farmland to feed our population’, that’s a fact.

I don’t see the economy as king. It has become a large black hole which no matter how much we feed it, and at what price, it never resolves or improves. Sure we can keep importing tens of millions of immigrants, and building over yet more countryside to accommodate them, and aggravating tensions. But is this a worthwhile price for probably only a small improvement in the scheme of things which is a terrible idea in the long run?

It’s a bit different selling a house to find care than stealing jewellery!!!

What sort of message does that send?

Absolutely the right one. We are a generous and tolerant country. But cannot accept every man in the world and furnish them with accommodation and money. We cannot accept people and have no idea if they are a criminal or a sexual predator. And most are not fleeing war or persecution.

Are rumoured to follow Denmark's, which include the seizure of valuables from people arriving here to pay their accommodation costs.

Is anyone else disgusted by this?! How will it work, they can take people's jewellery, phones etc., and leave them with nothing? What sort of message does that send?

I’d rather call a spade a spade.

Please give us an objective source for this statement. Thank you

I’m about as left as they come (I think though that doesn’t make me “soft” or a Labour fan) and I also worked for the Home Office in immigration control for 12 years (proud to do so).
It is not racist to have immigration control.
Immigration control is one of the only measures that protects the (now failing) welfare state - I wouldn’t want the collapse of the welfare state because it’s one of the good things we have.
The Refugee Convention didn’t come into existence to help people flee war torn countries - it came into existence to protect people from State persecution (and non-State actors acting as if they were the State).
The HR convention came later and protects agreed upon rights against State killing in most circumstances, torture, detention, protects against unfair trials and State interference in marriage, family and private life etc.
Subsequent international conventions protect Internally displaced persons (IDPs) from warm torn countries but offers none of the protections that the “Refugee Convention” offers in terms of settlement, family reunion or work status.
The UK will, I hope, always provide international protection.
It is however not the case that someone travelling via any European country from whichever country they claim to be fleeing from needs to claim in the UK and they don’t have an automatic “right” to do so.

Before Brexit, those who arrived from Europe were returned within days to the country they first arrived in and claimed asylum under the Dublin Convention.

The Rwanda effort was never going to make it past the courts - and was a pointless effort at being a deterrent.

To me, the UK has options with this idea of taking assets that might be more nuanced than “we will take everything valuable” (and The Guardian is extremely biased in reporting immigration matters - I recall its reporting on matters I knew about when I worked for the HO you and it loves exaggerating the facts but that’s another day’s work.

I cannot see anything cruel or racist about saying to someone coming via Europe to claim asylum here that they are “shopping” for a place to live and their assets can be taken to fund their time here - there can be added caveats (if you are granted asylum x if not y).

Apparently the government are also tightening settlement conditions for those granted asylum - making it 20 years before they can remain permanently and the expectation that if the country of origin becomes safe that they return there - that’s far more controversial to me than taking assets (which is more obviously a deterrent action).

As for the emotional part of separating from assets - if my daughter (severely disabled) needed treatment or a safe place because the UK became unsafe for her there is nothing of monetary value I wouldn’t give for that to happen (sentimentally I would want my first DD’s hair in a locket but they can take the locket). Maybe that’s not the fairest way for life to go but then fuck all is fair - and if I needed safety fame and her they could have anything I could give them.

We are not overpopulated- we are under-resourced.
We don’t have enough houses because lots are unsuitable for habitation, used as holiday homes, been bought under right to buy so the housing market is reduced. Also people want a 3 bed semi with a private garden which takes up more space than flats which are commonplace in Europe.

People are living longer with worse health conditions which costs the NHS more money but we don’t have more people paying tax to fund it.

We have a declining birth rate so fewer young people to pay for the pensions and NHS/social care. If we don’t have people coming to work from elsewhere how do you suggest we continue to fund this?

Of course I want nature but in my area the land is being sold for retail units and warehouses- not parks being developed.
Of course I want locally grown food- but guess what, that means voting with your feet and going to the small greengrocers instead of convenient supermarket.

Like I said, let Labour do these policies and when they don’t miraculously solve all the other issues people will see that it’s not the migrants that are ruining the country.