Labour's new policies for asylum seekers

Completely understand this point, but the very crux of the issue is that a high percentage of these people are not genuine asylum seekers. We can’t physically accept every single person who arrives - and again this isn’t racist in any way - but we just don’t have the infrastructure, the housing, services or the finances to support it.

I mean - the NHS is bad enough at the moment. Imagine how bad it will be when these 18000 jobs are cut? National debt is huge. How on earth can we house and afford to pay benefits to so many additional thousands of immigrants?

Stop weaponising the racist word to allow this country to continue to be broken. I do not like Labour but this is the first I see they are being brave to sort this mess. Let’s see if they really do it.

Is it though? I don’t think it’s that anyone believes we live in a concrete world as such, it’s more that being from a privileged first world country, they just can’t ever imagine their quality of life seriously degrading or there not being some magic government solution for everything. They think the worst case scenarios will simply never happen, that projections are a fantasy.

There's a thread in the chat section about MN having apparently decided to (finally) crack down on malicious posts.

It would be good if they would also start removing the posts of persistent trolls. The current situation is ridiculous- "troll hunting" is banned so you end up with thread after thread derailed by the pointless spamming of bad faith posters, and PPs mistakenly trying to engage with them. And you're not allowed to call out the obvious.

I meant beyond your gardeners and your husband's chauffeurs?

This is an argument for carefully locating people whilst quickly processing asylum claims, but also for treating them better in the interim. The awful living conditions bring out the worst in people.

Absolutely - suicidal empathy, as its known.

Please tell me where I said immigrants are the root of all our issues or even where I implied this?

I have not posted anything at all about my views on the debate either way.
You are absolutely making up what you want to read there.

The constructive debate would be something along the lines of:

Why are you so against immigration?
Wait for an answer and then refute the points made.

Not:

You don't agree with me and support immigration so you must be racist scum

You can’t play chess with a pigeon. No point in trying..

Tbh I’m sick of it being that anyone who has a negative view of immigration is automatically called a racist. I’m not at all racist but this has to be controlled.

I have absolute sympathy for any person who genuinely is fleeing war. But the majority of immigrants we have entering this country aren’t fleeing war, they are unchecked men who are, as far as I can see, fleeing France. They have passed through many safe countries to get here.

We live in a small town. We have multiple HMOs that have cropped up - many nearby to high schools - and there is an hotel in our area which up until recently also was filled to the brim. The hotel has backed out of their agreement with the government because of the behaviour - there were constantly police there and the local business on the same site, a pub, made many complaints about their customers, mainly the females, being harassed upon entry and exit.

There are many many reports of young girls being followed and harassed by these men in our town. One young girl has been raped.

I don’t feel safe in our area. I’ve stopped running when it’s dark. And I worry about my daughter when she is out. Just because you feel safe OP, doesn’t mean that there aren’t many out there who are being impacted upon with immigration.

Exactly! It’s like women who’ve never been sexually assaulted that have no problem with transwomen in female loos. Unless you live next to an asylum hotel you can’t really judge if someone is wrong to feel unsafe around them.

What a load of nonsense! Any room in your place? No, I didnt think so...

Have you been directly impacted by immigration?

And you right here are exactly why the right wing is going to get into power!

Rather than having constructive debate and trying to understand why people hold different views to you they are just categorised as racists who need to be dealt with.

People feel like they are being ignored and that people like you are treating them with contempt which only pushes them further right.

Luckily we have a human rights lawyer in charge who is putting money in his friends' pockets by trying to implement this.

Your taxes are paying for it.

Do you live in an area that's seen high migration?

It doesn't sound like you've ever even met a migrant.

I am interested in whether the working rules will change as indicated. It’ll have a big impact.

I do have sympathy for the people who come because they obviously are having a much worse time of it than I am. However, quite recently a lot of the people on the boats were Albanian men. The biggest human rights violation in Albania is domestic violence.

Their numbers have gone down presumably because they weren’t allowed to stay and were put off, but the cost of processing those people would have been huge. Roughly £12,000 each.

It is a bit simplistic to say it is just the vile racists who object. I think most people recognise there are massive issues with the system.

No it’s not a deterrent, this is a theme which has gained ground but is misinformation.

People can come to the UK as first point of entry by not claiming elsewhere first.