Labour's new policies for asylum seekers

i have never voted Tory! I can’t stand them. That’s my point we need investment - public investment and spending to reset and rebuild our failing services.

Labour migration figures have dropped as so many Brits are moving overseas. And those leaving aren’t those claiming benefits and living off minimum wage are they? It’s the top rate tax payers, the young with vital transferable skills who can easily get jobs anywhere..

Well, if you ve been voting Con for the last few GE's this is what you end up with.

Its not as if these cuts have actually given us any benefit, we are still taxed highly, the national debt is almost 100% and that was pre Labour btw.

The transfer of wealth to the already wealthy continues unabated.

What your post does highlight though is the desperate need for public sector investment, unless you think a private company will fix the roads FOC and open up a youth centre or 10 ?

We've had 14 years of "private is best" and look what its given us? Water industry anyone? even our once world class Forensic science services are next to useless, following their privatisation and closures in 2012.

But as we are on a migration thread, at least Labour have cut net migration, down from 420k in 23/24 to just over 345k this year.

Labour migration figures have dropped as so many Brits are moving overseas. And those leaving aren’t those claiming benefits and living off minimum wage are they? It’s the top rate tax payers, the young with vital transferable skills who can easily get jobs anywhere..

Well, if you ve been voting Con for the last few GE's this is what you end up with.

Its not as if these cuts have actually given us any benefit, we are still taxed highly, the national debt is almost 100% and that was pre Labour btw.

The transfer of wealth to the already wealthy continues unabated.

What your post does highlight though is the desperate need for public sector investment, unless you think a private company will fix the roads FOC and open up a youth centre or 10 ?

We've had 14 years of "private is best" and look what its given us? Water industry anyone? even our once world class Forensic science services are next to useless, following their privatisation and closures in 2012.

But as we are on a migration thread, at least Labour have cut net migration, down from 420k in 23/24 to just over 345k this year.

there is a campaign by multi millionaires right now asking for them to be taxed more. There are always studies pro/ anti taxing wealth. Taking an axe to welfare and public services - that’s what’s happened over past 15 years - is there anything actually left to cut? 85% on average of council budgets is spent on adult social (read elderly : disabled) care and temporary housing. That’s just 15% for everything else. We must invest to get this country back on its feet not take things away. I’m sure you look around you and see the pain people are going through - it can be turned around, we need to make the choices that support the majority - taxing 1-2% from those with £10m + is small fry, a no brainer really - and they want to be taxed so I mean… get it done I say.

I can’t stand this Labour government in general tbh. My worry is that SO MUCH has been cut already - is there actually anything left to cut? We have failing services - housing crisis, the expense of temporary accommodation, the crisis in adult social care, school buildings, hospital buildings collapsing, roads not being repaired, train networks failing yet being increasingly expensive (privatised), longer and longer waiting times for GP and operations creating more and more long term sick people, costing us more… and I could go on. Cuts to youth provision - are there any youth clubs any more? Cost of childcare making work for families almost nonsensical, due to cost of childcare etc etc. We really just can’t cut more and more - it’s just kicking the can down the road. We need investment - we need to repair buildings, roads, bring public transport, water back into public ownership. We need to better support families, children. We need to invest in our health service. We are all living longer now and social care - elderly care is a massive cost. We can’t just cut. We need more money and it is there - we just need to tax it from those who really can afford it, and it’s a patriotic thing to do, surely.

That's probably the point of difference then. I dont want to kick them all out if they are genuine refugees. Or even if they go on to become productive members of society.

I also dont want to encourage large scale un-genuine refugees and freely admit that I'm not 100% sure of what best course of action is. But I do feel that there's lots of heat and not enough light generated by politicians and commentators around issues of migration.

there is a campaign by multi millionaires right now asking for them to be taxed more. There are always studies pro/ anti taxing wealth. Taking an axe to welfare and public services - that’s what’s happened over past 15 years - is there anything actually left to cut? 85% on average of council budgets is spent on adult social (read elderly : disabled) care and temporary housing. That’s just 15% for everything else. We must invest to get this country back on its feet not take things away. I’m sure you look around you and see the pain people are going through - it can be turned around, we need to make the choices that support the majority - taxing 1-2% from those with £10m + is small fry, a no brainer really - and they want to be taxed so I mean… get it done I say.

Wealth taxes do irreparable long term damage to the economy and cost more than they’ll ever raise. Google what the IFS thinks. it’s the most damaging thing to do in the budget which is why Rachel Reeves is wisely going no where near it.

if you think public has been taxed until the pips squeak (and I disagree) we’ll just have to take an axe to welfare and other public services instead.

But we won't be able to kick them out.

You're also encouraging people here in order to work. Which is probably not a great idea.

I can’t stand this Labour government in general tbh. My worry is that SO MUCH has been cut already - is there actually anything left to cut? We have failing services - housing crisis, the expense of temporary accommodation, the crisis in adult social care, school buildings, hospital buildings collapsing, roads not being repaired, train networks failing yet being increasingly expensive (privatised), longer and longer waiting times for GP and operations creating more and more long term sick people, costing us more… and I could go on. Cuts to youth provision - are there any youth clubs any more? Cost of childcare making work for families almost nonsensical, due to cost of childcare etc etc. We really just can’t cut more and more - it’s just kicking the can down the road. We need investment - we need to repair buildings, roads, bring public transport, water back into public ownership. We need to better support families, children. We need to invest in our health service. We are all living longer now and social care - elderly care is a massive cost. We can’t just cut. We need more money and it is there - we just need to tax it from those who really can afford it, and it’s a patriotic thing to do, surely.

Totally correct - but everyone is benefiting for public services, tax pays for our roads, our schools, our waste collection and on and on. The poorest to the wealthiest all benefit from these things. Talking of squeezing pips - this is the rub, the people of this country can’t (and I’m including buisnesses too), afford their pips to be squeezed anymore and nor can public services. If we don’t as a nation have money to spend our economy falters - and it’s a contributing factor to high street decline for example too. Realistically there is no other answer bar - those with £10m + to pay 1-2 % more. Considering the interests on assets or wealth on £10m would more than cover this, it’s a small yet patriotic thing to do. There are many millionaires who have formed a campaign saying they want to pay more tax - hopefully it’s a bit of a no brainer :)

We need to reduce spending. Cut our coat to suit our cloth. Rather than tax rises to pay for things like payrises for already well paid public sector workers. Stop net zero ruining manufacturing.

Otherwise Labour kill the golden goose if it hasn't already been killed. The problem with tax rises for patriotism is that no one believes Labour are in any way patriotic.

Hyperbolic much? You go to great pains to separate fact from fiction and correct posters on getting it wrong, yet jump to exaggerated language on " captivity" and " ripping jewels off". Seems like you might want to correct yourself here...

We'd have the same number of mouths to feed but they'd be able to work in order to pay for the food. And some of them would be working in jobs that now wouldn't need others to arrive on visas.

What will happen is that there will be significantly more approvals so that the waiting list reduces. But no corresponding deportations. We just end up with more mouths to feed with a legal right to stay here.

So perhaps if we sped up the time taken to get legal right to remain we'd save a lot of money. Instead of holding people in semi-captivity at great expense and slowly removing all their remaining jewelry.

Yes. I know Italy were (and possibly still are) giving citizenship after a few years and then waving them off UK-wards. Albania had an amnesty of prisoners, gave them passports and then waved goodbye too. That is why lots of asylum seekers throw away their passports; they need them to travel through Europe but then want to appear as if they haven’t been in Western Europe for years.

Before Brexit there was the threat of Turkey being admitted to the EU and literally millions of people being able to come from there (and through there) legally.

But you're assuming that this is all about money. It's not. Open any newspaper in any given day and you will find yet another headline about a violent rape or murder committed by an asylum seeker. And no, not all asylum seekers are bad, but one such crime is one too many.