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BeefFriedChips · 17/11/2025 09:32

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EasternStandard · 17/11/2025 09:32

Whistonia · 17/11/2025 09:30

this thread is linking all types of migration together.

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It does we actually spend more per asylum person than any other G7 country.

To your edit, no some of your posts have but the policy changes are on asylum.

Whistonia · 17/11/2025 09:30

EasternStandard · 17/11/2025 09:29

This is a thread about asylum policy. That does cost more.

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this thread is linking all types of migration together.

Whistonia · 17/11/2025 09:30

HearMeOutt · 17/11/2025 09:23

I’ve never seen a single person suggest halting immigration from China or Japan.

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Well this thread lumps all migration together but why is china and japan okay?

HearMeOutt · 17/11/2025 09:30

Whistonia · 17/11/2025 09:28

Really? I am well aware however this thread doesn’t seem to be. Most migrants bring in more income than they take out and have no recourse to public funds - and work harder than the fat unemployed with flags.

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That’s because ‘migrants’ also lumps int he hundreds of thousands of hard working, high earning, educated, civilised immigrants we have from Hong Kong and similar. If you broke it down by country of origin it would look VERY different

EasternStandard · 17/11/2025 09:29

Whistonia · 17/11/2025 09:21

Accommodation only if destitute.

We are meant to a civilised country and I would not want anyone to be at risk on the streets, whatever their status.

And migration brings in more income that it costs. I live in a Uni city that relies on the money from foreign students, particularly Chinese

This is a thread about asylum policy. That does cost more.

Whistonia · 17/11/2025 09:28

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Really? I am well aware however this thread doesn’t seem to be. Most migrants bring in more income than they take out and have no recourse to public funds - and work harder than the fat unemployed with flags.

InElectricDreams · 17/11/2025 09:26

Boomer55 · 17/11/2025 08:44

Unless everyone wants Farage next, then something has to change.

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This, absolutely. Farage will cause so much damage. Current government has to reassure people they don't have to take the risk of Reform.

Ihatetomatoes · 17/11/2025 09:23

Papyrophile · 16/11/2025 17:37

Shabana Mahmoud is the Home Secretary, in charge of the internal affairs, policing and general management of the UK. Police, justice etc. A government department that is always viewed as the hardest to run, and the most likely to go awry.

Specifically, I would be interested in your responses to her proposals for asylum seekers, trailed today.

Are you a journalist. You 'specifically' want to ask for our responses to her proposals. What are your opinions? Do you have a piece to write up?

BeefFriedChips · 17/11/2025 09:23

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HearMeOutt · 17/11/2025 09:23

Whistonia · 17/11/2025 09:21

Accommodation only if destitute.

We are meant to a civilised country and I would not want anyone to be at risk on the streets, whatever their status.

And migration brings in more income that it costs. I live in a Uni city that relies on the money from foreign students, particularly Chinese

I’ve never seen a single person suggest halting immigration from China or Japan.

BeefFriedChips · 17/11/2025 09:21

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Whistonia · 17/11/2025 09:21

Accommodation only if destitute.

We are meant to a civilised country and I would not want anyone to be at risk on the streets, whatever their status.

And migration brings in more income that it costs. I live in a Uni city that relies on the money from foreign students, particularly Chinese

Seymour5 · 17/11/2025 09:20

Happyjoe · 17/11/2025 09:09

One of the biggest pulls to the UK is that so many people can speak English.... as well as friends and family already here.

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We do run classes to teach migrants English.

But fair enough, just looking at options to discourage. Make the dispersals more random? Safe country, but no choice. Eventually, once established, migrants would be able to apply via legal routes.

Bungle2168 · 17/11/2025 09:19

EasternStandard · 17/11/2025 09:15

Accommodation, healthcare and schooling if required is publicly funded.

It’s a much better prospect than a tent city elsewhere.

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Or alternatively, migrants could be processed outside the country.

On Japan, for example, one cannot obtain a visa within the country which is why stopovers. In Korea are (were?) popular.

EasternStandard · 17/11/2025 09:15

Whistonia · 17/11/2025 09:12

The vast majority of Migrants generally have no recourse to public funds.

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Accommodation, healthcare and schooling if required is publicly funded.

It’s a much better prospect than a tent city elsewhere.

Whistonia · 17/11/2025 09:12

Bungle2168 · 17/11/2025 08:53

Mass migration of peoples is driven by push and pull effects working in tandem. Now it may be difficult addressing the push aspects as we have limited influence over domestic policy the developing world, but we could, as sure as eggs is eggs, reduce some of the pull factors.

A policy of no recourse to public funds until you have been in the country at least five years would be a starting point. As would summary deportation for immigration violations - without appeal.

The vast majority of Migrants generally have no recourse to public funds.

Happyjoe · 17/11/2025 09:11

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We could indeed - once we find out where their country of origin is. Asylum takes about a year to process..

Happyjoe · 17/11/2025 09:09

Seymour5 · 17/11/2025 08:44

Europe needs to enforce all borders and have multi agency processing centres. Any who are granted asylum, unless they can display evidence of a family in a particular country, or speak the language, won’t have a choice as to where they are sent. Eastern Europe? Hungary got less than 30 asylum applications last year. Albania perhaps?

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One of the biggest pulls to the UK is that so many people can speak English.... as well as friends and family already here.

Happyjoe · 17/11/2025 09:08

Bungle2168 · 17/11/2025 08:53

Mass migration of peoples is driven by push and pull effects working in tandem. Now it may be difficult addressing the push aspects as we have limited influence over domestic policy the developing world, but we could, as sure as eggs is eggs, reduce some of the pull factors.

A policy of no recourse to public funds until you have been in the country at least five years would be a starting point. As would summary deportation for immigration violations - without appeal.

If people are here, waiting a year or more to be processed and are unable to be housed and fed two things will happen. Crime will go up and working illegally - and a lot of that illegal work will be for criminals. I am pretty sure it will not stem the boats because the latter happens anyway.
This whole issue has many layers that needs sorting before things will improve imo, there's no quick fix. If there was, it would've been done years ago.

HearMeOutt · 17/11/2025 09:05

Papyrophile · 17/11/2025 08:54

Overnight, I heard that the Home Secretary is preparing to rescind/deny all visas to countries that refuse to accept failed asylum seekers and illegal migrants, starting with Angola, Namibia and the DRC.

Fab! Why the hell should we grant visas to countries who won’t even take their own people back?

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Papyrophile · 17/11/2025 08:54

Overnight, I heard that the Home Secretary is preparing to rescind/deny all visas to countries that refuse to accept failed asylum seekers and illegal migrants, starting with Angola, Namibia and the DRC.

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Bungle2168 · 17/11/2025 08:53

Mass migration of peoples is driven by push and pull effects working in tandem. Now it may be difficult addressing the push aspects as we have limited influence over domestic policy the developing world, but we could, as sure as eggs is eggs, reduce some of the pull factors.

A policy of no recourse to public funds until you have been in the country at least five years would be a starting point. As would summary deportation for immigration violations - without appeal.

Seymour5 · 17/11/2025 08:44

Europe needs to enforce all borders and have multi agency processing centres. Any who are granted asylum, unless they can display evidence of a family in a particular country, or speak the language, won’t have a choice as to where they are sent. Eastern Europe? Hungary got less than 30 asylum applications last year. Albania perhaps?

Boomer55 · 17/11/2025 08:44

Papyrophile · 16/11/2025 17:26

Is Shabana Mahmood right or wrong to restrict asylum seeker's rights? In general?

Unless everyone wants Farage next, then something has to change.