Page 7 | So who is going to be brave enough to ask whether Shabana Mahmood's proposed reforms are right/sensible/racist?

BeefFriedChips · 17/11/2025 13:56

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IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 17/11/2025 13:55

Southernecho · 17/11/2025 13:46

Totally wrong, the Welfare state explosion began after WW2, the biggest expansion came in the 2010s.

The Blair's govt in Social Security spend was actually smaller than that seen under Major.

Blair operated under favourable economic conditions, that means less Social Security needed.

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I don’t know what world you are living in but tax credits and the 16 hour rule have changed things massively to a less personal responsibility and more a welfare dependent culture.
One which is not easy to dial down.
And yes Blair operated under favourable conditions, but the damage was done by his tinkering with welfare for when financial conditions in the country weren’t favourably.

marshmallowmix · 17/11/2025 13:54

Southernecho · 17/11/2025 13:43

Why? Blair allowed in people from Europe, who generally speaking have very similar ideals & beliefs to us.

Brexit changed all that, we now have migrants from Asia and Africa, who often do not share our beliefs etc.

That was a Tory/Boris Johnson plan, aided by the person voters seem to think has the solution - Nigel Farage.
BJ and Sunak let in, between them, over 2m people.

Immigration into the UK has been going on from the Commonwealth for decades, its nothing new.

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Not in the numbers we are seeing now …millions coming in, the size of 2 large cities.

BeefFriedChips · 17/11/2025 13:50

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IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 17/11/2025 13:50

Southernecho · 17/11/2025 13:43

Why? Blair allowed in people from Europe, who generally speaking have very similar ideals & beliefs to us.

Brexit changed all that, we now have migrants from Asia and Africa, who often do not share our beliefs etc.

That was a Tory/Boris Johnson plan, aided by the person voters seem to think has the solution - Nigel Farage.
BJ and Sunak let in, between them, over 2m people.

Immigration into the UK has been going on from the Commonwealth for decades, its nothing new.

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Yes Blair encouraged increased immigration in the first place.
Same as benefits, once you start where do you draw the line, how do you reverse it.

marshmallowmix · 17/11/2025 13:48

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Southernecho · 17/11/2025 13:47

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Thats because they made up that stat.

Southernecho · 17/11/2025 13:46

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 17/11/2025 13:41

Not to mention him and Brown with the expansion of the welfare state.

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Totally wrong, the Welfare state explosion began after WW2, the biggest expansion came in the 2010s.

The Blair's govt in Social Security spend was actually smaller than that seen under Major.

Blair operated under favourable economic conditions, that means less Social Security needed.

BeefFriedChips · 17/11/2025 13:46

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Southernecho · 17/11/2025 13:43

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 17/11/2025 13:34

I do blame the government.
It actually started with Tony Blair and all by design.
I have nothing but contempt for him and everything he did.

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Why? Blair allowed in people from Europe, who generally speaking have very similar ideals & beliefs to us.

Brexit changed all that, we now have migrants from Asia and Africa, who often do not share our beliefs etc.

That was a Tory/Boris Johnson plan, aided by the person voters seem to think has the solution - Nigel Farage.
BJ and Sunak let in, between them, over 2m people.

Immigration into the UK has been going on from the Commonwealth for decades, its nothing new.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 17/11/2025 13:41

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Not to mention him and Brown with the expansion of the welfare state.

marshmallowmix · 17/11/2025 13:40

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This is why we are where we are, simplistic solutions that don't work.

Many countries will not accept back migrants, many countries where they come from have no safe air links, they are war zones.

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I do blame the government.
It actually started with Tony Blair and all by design.
I have nothing but contempt for him and everything he did.

BeefFriedChips · 17/11/2025 13:32

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I am seeing hate on the people and generalisation. This is my issue.

Julen7 · 17/11/2025 13:23

whataguddle · 17/11/2025 13:18

Yep, it is horrific in many parts of London, Whitechapel is like a slum never seen so much rubbish strewn and filthy everywhere! It was unbelievable how dirty and rubbish dumped.

I saw similar in Harehills in Leeds.

This is the U.K. but some places are akin to a hell hole in the third world.

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Also Coventry.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 17/11/2025 13:20

whataguddle · 17/11/2025 13:18

Yep, it is horrific in many parts of London, Whitechapel is like a slum never seen so much rubbish strewn and filthy everywhere! It was unbelievable how dirty and rubbish dumped.

I saw similar in Harehills in Leeds.

This is the U.K. but some places are akin to a hell hole in the third world.

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I think certain parts of London are worth avoiding as with other areas of the country.
Sadly it is what it is.

whataguddle · 17/11/2025 13:18

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Yep, it is horrific in many parts of London, Whitechapel is like a slum never seen so much rubbish strewn and filthy everywhere! It was unbelievable how dirty and rubbish dumped.

I saw similar in Harehills in Leeds.

This is the U.K. but some places are akin to a hell hole in the third world.

BeefFriedChips · 17/11/2025 13:10

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Seymour5 · 17/11/2025 13:07

Whistonia · 17/11/2025 12:30

Bradford has a large number of British born descendants of immigrants from South Asia in the 1950s and 1960s. Not sure where you want to deport them to and why. But if we can deport British citizens, could we start with fat, bald, uneducated people with flags rather than working and law abiding British citizens of South Asian heritage.

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It has. But what proportion are integrated into the wider community? It has been reported as one of the least integrated in the UK. Do people really want more places like this?

CurlewKate · 17/11/2025 13:03

Papyrophile · 16/11/2025 17:26

Is Shabana Mahmood right or wrong to restrict asylum seeker's rights? In general?

Why do you have to be brave? What a very strange way to ask a perfectly sensible question! To answer, I don’t know yet-I need to look into it more.

Whistonia · 17/11/2025 12:30

whataguddle · 17/11/2025 11:08

Illegal and legal migration has destroyed the U.K. The sheer numbers are too high especially since the Boris wave…hopefully they will be deported.

Some serious deportations need to take place …we are full to bursting and can’t cope. Everyone is sick of it!

The boat arrivals are from the worst third world countries ! Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq etc . We do not want them here - they don’t share our values and are a serious threat to our safety.

I recently had the misfortune to drive through Bradford and it was a shock you can’t believe it’s the U.K.

Grim doesn’t even touch the sides.

Bradford has a large number of British born descendants of immigrants from South Asia in the 1950s and 1960s. Not sure where you want to deport them to and why. But if we can deport British citizens, could we start with fat, bald, uneducated people with flags rather than working and law abiding British citizens of South Asian heritage.