So who is going to be brave enough to ask whether Shabana Mahmood's proposed reforms are right/sensible/racist?

So let me get this right.
If they improve the immigration problem, you are not happy.
If they start to improve our NHS, schools etc (which Labour tend to do), you're not happy.

Don't tell me, a Reform voter? 🙃

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I agree with her stance. We need to get on top of this.

exactly 🤣🤣!!

They are finally starting to acknowledge and read the mood of the country. But it won’t save them they are sunk.

Now they're worried about having 152 far right AFD MPs in their parliament, at one time that would have been unthinkable.

That's what happens when you ignore people. Labour, take note.

It was a very strange and pointless snipe at you imo! Still, gotta have a hobby eh? 😀

Yes and they spent a fair amount of energy telling everyone how wrong and far right they were.

Well, as a superior being with all the answers, how about you rock up to Westminsted and tell Keir that you could run the office so much better, Im sure you would be extremely successful at the post. Such a shame you are going to remain a Mumsnet armchair expert instead.

Agree and it’s long overdue.

Labour reacting now but it’s too little too late.

The German government has woken up, just like ours is doing. You can't keep ignoring people or calling them far right. Those insults don't stick anymore. All of Western Europe is starting to toughen up their borders.

No, I can't say, but on another thread a poster linked to this article - the thread closed before I could point out that the family of ten are actually French and moved to the UK as EU citizens (I think everyone just looked at the photograph);

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3780802/Jobless-French-migrant-family-handed-44-000-benefits-year-warned-homeless-reject-house-turning-THREE-small.html

Another indication here;

^Since the end of the 1990s significant numbers of former refugees have made use of the right to free mobility as EU citizens and moved internally within the EU. It is estimated that one third of the Dutch Somali community (around 10,000 people) has moved to the United Kingdom (UK).

https://cordis.europa.eu/project/id/219485/reporting/fr

& hasn't the UK taken in 10s of 1000s of HK nationals who are from Asia?

The Hong Kong Scheme is not cheap:
To apply for a British National (Overseas) visa, or to apply to switch to or extend one, you must:

• pay the visa application fee
• pay the healthcare surcharge

• £2,587.50 if you’re staying for 2 years and 6 months
• £5,175 if you’re staying for 5 years

• £1,940 if you’re staying for 2 years and 6 months
• £3,880 if you’re staying for 5 years

I think they’re removing earlier barriers eg the whole you’re far right, racist if you want lower asylum claims, or it’s only culture wars.

They can’t say that anymore, so these new policies have to work for them. Although they’ve alienated so many people maybe they won’t get those votes back anyway.

@Pharazon

germany are sending people back to Afghanistan…

So you agree or not that they will be to blame for future harsher measures by other parties? I thought that's what we were talking about but your response isn't clear.

For a while Labour used it’s culture wars, far right, racist even to deflect - it’s hypocritical but that’s all gone.

They can’t rely on that anymore as they want to be seen as ‘tough’ and in touch with the electorate.

The earlier stuff was said to be the game changer needed (one in one out etc) but here’s another one. We’ll see.

Only if they obey the law. We are starting to see leaders ignore laws - Trump is a prime example.

To be fair, Reform will get in if Labour are not seen to do anything - easily. We've already seen that start to happen and their measures are far harsher. Leaving ECHR, chucking out those with IDL, returning all people by boat without due process etc and we are seeing on here, and other social media type place where people's views are aligning with Reforms.. Even the tories now are getting worse with what they say they will do.

I don't think we can totally lay the blame at Labour here for future decisions by nastier parties.

What harsher measures?

The "Deport within 1 week" by Phip and Farage have been debunked as totally impossible.

It’s a gamble by Labour. If it doesn’t work after their other attempts which were meant to be game changers then they’ve set the scene for harsher measures by someone else.

Fucking Punch and Judy.

No it hasn't. You've just been hoodwinked, completely and utterly.