So who is going to be brave enough to ask whether Shabana Mahmood's proposed reforms are right/sensible/racist?

You don’t need to lose it, it’s ok. I wanted to know if you could say what the difference was.

It’s obviously prompted some kind of reaction instead of just saying what that difference is. Whatever really.

Bollocks is it tough and stop treating me like an idiot - but then you like to try lord it over I have noticed.

I refuse to converse with you anymore. I have tried on occasion to have a normal chitchat and exchange of views. When facts are put to you in response to one of your incorrect posts, you do not acknowledge those facts, instead moving onto something new.
Conversing with you is tiresome because of it. You like to come over as someone who thinks they're really smart, trying always to have 'one up' on someone but in reality you are not interested in facts, truth or anything other than your own voice and that's not smart. Smart is learning, smart is the ability to see the whole picture, smart is finding out facts rather than being selective in what they believe to be true.

It's boring, tiresome talking to someone like this and as I said, am done.

Sure this’ll help. It’s a tough question ik.

I thought it might be difficult to say. Ok

Of course I can, but with greatest of respect, am done with you.

My observations are that I think that she is spot on that if such measures are not taken now then the alternatives from Reform will be far worse.

I also think that there will be a strong resistance from Labour backbenchers that will seriously water down the final proposals.

If she succeeds then this will result in a significant decline in illegal migration which will cut support for Reform. If she fails and the proposals are watered down then that will put Reform in a very strong position in the polls.

She put Max Wilkinson from the Liberals in his place when he denied that the issue of immigration was causing division within the country.

And lastly succeed or fail (plus the swearing in Parliament) she has shown herself to be a strong contender for leader of the Labour Party.

We really do not want to leave the ECHR and appalled that Kemi is still banging on about it as some sort of solution.

I wouldn't trust any of our govs if not in the ECHR, would you?

No I’m asking you, you feel strongly there’s a difference. Can you say why?

Agreed

You can't tell the difference? Or are you pretending, just to try.. I dunno, goad?

Stick to facts please.

So is that policy racist but not Labour’s

Can you say why?

Sir Keir Starmer has labelled Reform UK's policy of scrapping indefinite leave to remain as "racist" and "immoral".
The policy, which could effectively lead to hundreds of thousands of people who are here legally being deported from the UK, was announced by party leader Nigel Farage last week.
Sir Keir added he did not think Reform UK supporters were racist but "frustrated" after 14 years of "Tory failure".

Is it the other week you are referring to?
Because it seems that he was calling a policy racist, not supporters.

I do too. It won’t get taken up and was there ever a time when a cross party project worked? Wouldn’t it be great if it did though.

tbh you’re probably the only Labour one left doing the laughing not crying 😝

Let’s hope it’s clicked.

Calling the tolerant-but-outraged voter a racist puts Farage in number 10.

😂

Quite. I like the fact that Kemi B has proposed they cross party cooperate too..

I don’t know what your first line is referring to but I think it’s pretty obvious that calling people racist, extremist and far right and it’s all culture wars they’ll probably go elsewhere.

Plus the hypocrisy of it.

Not sure I've seen a more 'stating the obvious' post to be frank.

The poster said 'they are sunk' despite acknowledging that they're finally reading the mood of the country. Isn't what is proposed now what they want?

That works with people who speak up against misinformation about immigration too. They are shot down, ignored, insulted and facts ignored to boot.

So why the earlier post? Labour has very little support.

What? Noooooooooooo, really? Knock me down with a feather.

This post and saying that this thread is full of vile idiots is what has brought us to the sorry state we are in now.

People shot down, ignored and insulted for saying how they feel …and having a different viewpoint.

Well, that won’t work now. Soz.😁

Surely you must be aware not everyone backs Labour.