So who is going to be brave enough to ask whether Shabana Mahmood's proposed reforms are right/sensible/racist?

Not all marriages are registered. I think it would be sensible to require all marriages to be registered as it would protect the rights of women and girls.

I don't think you were making it up, you said they were married. They were not.

…and yet there are many countries out in the big, wide world that have functioning immigration policies. As did Britain at one time.

There are precedents, both historical and further afield, to follow, no?

So why the angst?

A what?

Afraid to say it because you think you might get deleted? Don't worry, I can't be arsed to report you.

Your playground bullying is of little interest to me. It says far more about you than it does about me.

I assume it wasn't a legal marriage. She gave birth aged 14, and I have wondered whether she had medical support or was hidden at home, and if she had NHS support why no-one reported it/intervened.

I know her history because we worked a long shift together, just the two of us, and chatted about our lives/got to know each other. I was internally so appalled by what had happened to her and found the whole thing so deeply upsetting and disturbing. Obviously you hear about these things but it seems so distant, maybe not even true, and then to meet someone who has lived it. She wasn't even complaining, just matter of factly mentioned coming to the UK etc. It's a big part of what's brought home the concerns about migration to me.

It's frightening that you think I'm making it up. I only hope that those so deeply in denial as yourself see what is happening before it's too late to stop wider cultural change.

Marrying a child at 13 is illegal FFS. It's not covering it up, it's the flipping law. It was not legal, therefore not married.

Yes, imagine.
That man would've drowned too, and as pointed out, the train driver wouldn't have saved lives.

Stop generalising Muslim (and you've not mentioned any other asylum seekers) men.

Don’t be daft who’s going to report it.
Just because you don’t like to hear something that is uncomfortable, claiming it’s “ nonsense “ except by someone like yourself who likes to cover up things.

Yes please. The ones who also treat women really badly especially... you know, just keeping up with the tone of the thread!

I am not saying it wasn't terrible, everything to do with that is terrible, but it was dealt with finally and the men punished. There are many immigrants in the UK, they don't all go around raping and pretending to marry girls. Is it only the Muslim ones you have an issue with?

Sigh.

Along with the bald, fat unemployed with flags

Very few people actually believe in open borders. The debate isn't really about that, it's about what kind of immigration controls are most appropriate.

I think they are an economic, infrastructural and security necessity. But ultimately we have to get control of our borders. There was a 2 second mention in that news recently about Iranian militia crossing in small boats and pretending to be asylum seekers. Trained killers intent on killing oriole in this country. I’ve no idea whether their target was other Muslims, Jews, ordinary Brits or our government officials, but it shows how serious the situation is.

Is this the kill the ripper in the crib argument? Because could say the same about any maternity ward full of British babies. If one crib held a future serial killer, would you push a button to gas all the babies?

Ah well thats fine then isnt it
Is the social worker in jail as well?

One either believes in open borders, or one does not.

Most of the world does not. Which makes Western navel-gazing even more bemusing.

Is that the best you can come up with when I made a valid point? Ok.

The foreign born British-Muslim Huntingdon train hero who stopped the stabber.

And we are supposed to believe the malarkey about certain cultures not having our values…

My dad was born in 1914 and was severely disabled. Even he stayed and played his part in the home guard.

Sorry, I clump them together. However, 13 years is not legal, so it is not a marriage.

Sexual assault by the British armed forces is at an all time high. It’s just handled by the military police so it’s not as visible unless you live by a barracks…