So who is going to be brave enough to ask whether Shabana Mahmood's proposed reforms are right/sensible/racist?

How?
I see no solutions.

The boats are flimsy, so that rules out any tow back, the UK has no where to send 100k plus people and on deterrents, 1000s have drowned crossing the Med, yet the numbers trying keep on coming.

Over 100 have drowned crossing the Channel.

Sending a few hundred to an African country wont change a thing and whats to stop any that do, trying again?

No country in the world wants to have 1000s of people we don;t want housed in their own country.

It can be delivered on. It’s not easy but Labour are setting the scene pretty well for a swing to it.

I think, if Labour cannot deliver, the public mood will be for far more harsh measures, which no party can actually deliver on.

Remember too all the game changers the Tories promised us, the solutions Reform have had but then said they wouldn't do, by 2029, no one will believe a word anyone says on this.

I think its dawning on Labour too.

They will of course at the next GE if Labour fail on this too after smash the gangs and one in and one out, and all the other supposed game changers.

And Labour can’t even use culture wars and it’s racist far right next time.

On what will happen, I expect if numbers keep steady or go up Labour won’t be able to dismiss this issue as they did at the last GE and other parties will propose tougher stuff. Wait and see I guess

No party is suggesting tougher measures, Reform have rowed back from shooting boats & marines towing them back to France.

Deportations can work but only if there is a country to deport too.

When you see the numbers in Northern France and the inaction of the French Police (what can 3 Gendarmes do against 200 migrants?) one can see the problem on getting worse.

Of course Farage is the reason for all of this, we can't send back migrants and legal migration now takes people from Africa and Asia, instead of Europe.

We never had this problem on this scale when in the EU and Remainers did point out this would happen.

working in the public sector I have witnessed peoples fear for their jobs. Employees for example who have a small car sticker supporting Brexit were told this is not acceptable. Those employees did not express their views during work hours or even remotely discuss it yet they were told they had to remove it. Employees told they could not have a small Union Jack sticker with a stop the boats slogan on their car. Yet staff allowed to wear the progressive rainbow pin on their lanyard and have a car sticker promoting this. Training courses and briefings where staff are told of the upset that union jacks are causing yet allowing staff to display flags supporting Gaza.The point is free speech is threatened when staff are expressing views outside their workplace (I agree that they should not engage in this within the workplace but think this applies to all critical views in the workplace not just the ones the employer doesn’t agree with.)

I worry that in the willingness not to offend we have let our culture take second place. Our willingness to allow people to have free speech, freedom to worship etc all of which I agree with has been extended over and above that given to the existing culture - that in my view is wrong. Some of those from different countries are trying to change our nation - they are not integrating, I have no objection to people preserving some of their culture but they have to integrate, they have to accept our rules.

It's a good start.

Absolutely right, the granting of permanent residency after just 5 years is crazy and of course people should be sent back if their country becomes safe again.

Whether any of her ideas reduce x channel crossings is another thing.

I don't think it will.

Where did I post on that?

Migrants undertaking boat Crossings are only a small percentage of total migration to UK.

No implications needed - we can just look at the stats. They collate sexual assaults by nationality in Germany, and off the top of my head Afghani men are 16 times more likely to rape than German men, for instance.

But we know ‘other’ cultures don’t respect our values, eg the way they treat women - is what you said.

So, assuming your culture is white British, it implies white British men do treat women well, which they certainly don’t, and ‘ other’ cultures - white non British, black, Asian etc- don’t - which is also not true.

I think something, anything, needs to be done pretty sharpish. This is data from 2018, before the significant Boris wave of legal migrants and the dramatic increase in boat arrivals aince covid. Look at the bulge in males in a community that absorbs many migrants. It’s wild!

Tbh, all we’ve heard is words from the government. No action. I fear we are being gaslit, slowly broken down to accept the current situation (similar too with crime).

Currently most crossing are by men but the family reunification allowed women and children to arrive later not by crossing the Channel.

If you look at crossing stats v asylum claims you can see that the latter has more women due to that.

On what will happen, I expect if numbers keep steady or go up Labour won’t be able to dismiss this issue as they did at the last GE and other parties will propose tougher stuff. Wait and see I guess.

Starmer did rely on using the term racist recently and it echoed on here by some.

Up until Mahmood making an announcement most discussion was deemed far right, racist and extreme.

On hypocrisy alone Labour should fold on this one. Doing this means they can’t use the ‘culture wars’ deflection, how old hat is that.

Now Mahmood is ‘tough’ apparently expect conversation to follow. If it’s not working hard enough the next GE will see further tougher changes. Labour won’t be able to dismiss as they did last time.

And just to add some context to my above post, here are some articles from the last few days alone. Don’t be offended by my mere posting of these - and if you are, ask yourself why.

https://news.sky.com/story/failed-asylum-seeker-accused-of-raping-woman-in-bournemouth-13470243

https://rdg.today/asylum-seeker-from-reading-jailed-for-rape-of-15-year-old-in-oxford/

Stranger rape is unusual, to the extent it makes the news. The majority of sexual crimes happen between people known to each other. The latter doesn’t magically excuse a spike in the former, and we have no idea what these men are like in their private lives either.

Does this seem objectively very high to you? Let me guess, ‘no, not really, the problem is men…’

Aww thank you so much. I’ll put the above into Chat GPT, hopefully whatever it spits out will make you feel more comfortable. Here’s hoping the robots take over eventually.

Well here are some, not that you’ll address them directly or take them seriously in any way.

1. The fact we are already grossly overcrowded, 8th in Europe with only places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands before us. And that’s when the figures are swayed by the Highlands. No doubt you’ll try to argue ‘overcrowded’ is subjective and we’re not really
2. The fact there is a new rape or attack by a so-called ‘asylum seeker’ every few days which seems grossly disproportionate to their apparently tiny numbers. No accurate data is kept on their offending so I’m expecting the faux naive ‘but white men…’ despite the fact a rape every few days from a group of men which is around 50,000 strong. It’s the equivalent of a new rape or sex attack in a town the size of Llanelli every few days. No doubt you’ll claim this is ‘normal’.
3. The fact the local residents near migrant hotels are the ones out campaigning that they don’t feel safe. Why don’t you believe them?
4. The fact we have unwittingly imported terrorists, murders and sex attackers because, surprise surprise, men from countries where the governments are in themselves terrorist agencies like the Taliban do not keep diligent records on these crimes to then share with us. There is no ‘vetting’ just an absence of information. Fuck knows who they are, we have no clue.
5. The fact they’re costing us a fortune and want to bring their enormous families with them, in some cases 10+ relatives. Everyone is convinced they’re a future doctor or engineer. Why? Nothing has suggested to me they’re of a higher average intelligence than anyone here, they’re more likely to end up driving for Deliveroo while claiming Universal Credit.