To think a lot of MN are ableist?

precisely.

Which is why i made my point earlier.

Again, dealing with comments from people who have NO experience of this stuff.

Perhaps they should live a while in our shoes.

Agreed and even when someone does have severe learning disabilities like my son ,he still has a very good quality of life
It's not up to others to say his life is less than other, s
If only we could consider Euthanasia for those who hold abhorrent views ....

You said that heartless and ignorant people like you, lacking any imagination, would probably have thought would mean I would never do anything worthwhile. Luckily, my wonderful parents didn't hold such horrifying views

That poster aside wonderful parents might make the difficult decision to terminate because of their belief about the poor quality of life ahead. Decisions like this are not binary.

What on earth has that response got to do with my post? I was replying to a poster advocating for the mass extermination of disabled newborns and babies, termination was not mentioned once. Your comment is another irrelevant red herring which adds nothing to the conversation apart from attempting to deflect and excuse the inexcusable, in this case the views of the poster I was responding to about the value of the lives of disabled children

All well and good @Marshmallow4545 and I don't really disagree, but once the legislation is in place I suspect mission creep is inevitable, and that factors such as cost to the state and others, burden on others and subjective interpretations around disabled peoples' quality of life (of which we may have little understanding) will be brought into play. I am less comfortable with that.

FWIW my child is profoundly autistic. He did not sleep as a baby and once able, he would smear his shit everywhere to meet some kind of sensory need. I used to sew him into his onesie every night and on the off chance he nodded off, I had to stay awake so I would hear him if he smeared. My life was a living hell and I said at the time (and posted on here) that I wished there had been a pre-natal test for autism so I could have had an abortion, and that I hoped this was available to mothers in future. He's now 8, has grown out of the smearing, is thriving in special school and is both the most joyful child I have ever met and the absolute apple of my eye. In most cases (but I accept not all), there is hope for improvement and we should not make a life-ending decision based on a snapshot.

It's not grey. The killing of the learning disabled who cannot consent will never be ok. I don't understand why people need to go on and on about the killing of those with disability who aren't cognitively able to provide this consent and pretending we are doing them a favour. You clearly see them as a lesser human being. As least be honest about that

Also disable people are humans, not animals (who don't happen to have human rights). HTH

Not to mention the pretending from some people that it's about their suffering or wellbeing, that's just an after thought.

It's an attempt to save money.

Some children also don't become disabled until later in life, not all children are born disabled. My son was completely healthy for 8 years and then he wasn't, just like that.

Everyone's child is an accident or illness away from a disability.

Sometimes doctors predicted outcomes are wrong too. My son wasn't expected to survive at all and I was told by a well respected paeds neurology consultant that if my son survived, he wouldn't be the child he was before as he was certain due to his 20 minute cardiac arrest that he'd have a severe brain injury.

He was wrong. Imagine if I was advised to think about his wellbeing, how much he'd suffer and to consider doing the ''kind'' thing instead of asking them to continue to attempt to save him?

There is danger in judging parents who continue a pregnancy with a severely disabled child as better than those that exercise their right to terminate.

It's not grey. The killing of the learning disabled who cannot consent will never be ok. I don't understand why people need to go on and on about the killing of those with disability who aren't cognitively able to provide this consent and pretending we are doing them a favour. You clearly see them as a lesser human being. As least be honest about that

Also disable people are humans, not animals (who don't happen to have human rights). HTH

I think this is a super grey area and not as black and white as people like to imply. Some people will never have capacity to consent and yet we know that they may be suffering unimaginably with absolutely no hope of ever achieving any kind of quality of life. What is kindest thing in this scenario?

An adult with full capacity can hopefully one day consent to ending their life humanely assuming the law will change. We know lots of people want this for themselves and have full capacity, yet we assume that not providing those who can't consent with a dignified and humane death is the kind and compassionate thing to do.

We treat animals better than we treat humans.

All well and good @Marshmallow4545 and I don't really disagree, but once the legislation is in place I suspect mission creep is inevitable, and that factors such as cost to the state and others, burden on others and subjective interpretations around disabled peoples' quality of life (of which we may have little understanding) will be brought into play. I am less comfortable with that.

FWIW my child is profoundly autistic. He did not sleep as a baby and once able, he would smear his shit everywhere to meet some kind of sensory need. I used to sew him into his onesie every night and on the off chance he nodded off, I had to stay awake so I would hear him if he smeared. My life was a living hell and I said at the time (and posted on here) that I wished there had been a pre-natal test for autism so I could have had an abortion, and that I hoped this was available to mothers in future. He's now 8, has grown out of the smearing, is thriving in special school and is both the most joyful child I have ever met and the absolute apple of my eye. In most cases (but I accept not all), there is hope for improvement and we should not make a life-ending decision based on a snapshot.

Well, quite. AD should require those things, but I would bet my boots that in time, it won't (once we've all got over the squeamishness of having it on the statute books). We will end up with something that looks more like eugenics and in which a total lack of compassion for the disabled is a state-endorsed view.

This isn’t “assisted dying.” Assisted dying requires the individual’s informed consent, and a newborn simply cannot provide that. What’s being proposed is effectively eugenics: the killing of those deemed undesirable.
I’ve reported multiple posts, yet Mumsnet has left them up. That, in itself, says a great deal about the platform and its willingness to host such abhorrent views.

It's quite difficult not to draw inferences from the fact that a thread about ableism against children on a parenting site has morphed into one about assisted dying.

I am in favour of the principle of assisted dying fwiw, but outside of an ideal world in which everyone's motivations are moral and pure and good, a 'good death' for those suffering turns out to be the thin end of a very uncomfortable wedge. Euthanasia already accounts for 1 in 20 deaths in Canada and I find that chilling.

Society is becoming less compassionate as we run out of cash to have nice things. Healthcare costs for the elderly are already being eyed up as 'savings' if AD becomes ubiquitous and it won't be long before the costs associated with disabled children are viewed in the same light.

I am loathed to engage with you again and potentially further derail an important discussion about ableism on MN but I just could not let this go unanswered. If I were you I would have taken my suggestion that you were involved in an elaborate satire and used it as your 'get out of jail free' card. Admitting you were playing a grotesque comic character would have saved you the intense embarrassment of admitting that your ridiculous, ignorant and offensive posts are actually for real.
Laying aside your claims to have enjoyed a career in the financial sector while simultaneously seeming to have no idea how our economy works and profering the kind of poorly thought out 'solution' a drunk down the pub would have been ashamed to slur out to their mates after a dozen pints, your views on disabled children are absolutely chilling.
Who are you to declare that disabled children's lives are not worth living? What gives you the right to state that they are less valuable than your life?
I was born severely physically disabled, with the kind of disabilities that heartless and ignorant people like you, lacking any imagination, would probably have thought would mean I would never do anything worthwhile. Luckily, my wonderful parents didn't hold such horrifying views and fought tooth and nail to give me the best education and childhood possible. As a result I excelled academically at school, received a first class degree from a top university, have a rewarding job I love, own my own home and, most importantly, am very happily married with a perfect baby.
I have a great life which is absolutely worthwhile and I am forever grateful that appalling eugenicists like yourself weren't in power when I was born to decide that I was going to be just too expensive to support and would never amount to anything.
What is frightening is that, given you are posting on here, there is a good chance you are a parent, possibly a grandparent. This causes me to fear for your family in the event any of them were to be born or become disabled, which, please remember, can happen to anyone at any time. I hope that seeing someone close to you experiencing the challenges associated with disability may cause you to develop some belated compassion, as it has done for so many others who showed no empathy for disabled people until disability came knocking on their door. However, maybe your humanity, like your spelling, is another skill you have let slip since you quit working.