To think a lot of MN are ableist?

I have huge doubts around all of it, for very well thought out reasons.

I do find it a little ableist to use words like “selected few” in the context of those SEN children needing school transport. Staggered start times at MS are great, but non-SEN children being sent to a school 90 minutes’ drive away just doesn’t happen, unless their parents and/or LA are actually barking mad. It’s pretty normal in SEN. It’s also rather unpleasant to imply that the majority are being denied something, when the little extra being given to the minority is only intended to level the playing field a bit, and rarely even succeeds at that.

Link to that Danish case, please?

And again it is not an increasingly common condition. It is under diagnosed and under treated.

Educate yourself and read the NHS Taskforce findings, maybe then you won’t spout such ableist nonsense.

You are very fortunate to have found out. So many parents never realise that their child is being stolen from.

Yes definitely, residential school placements are are extremely hard to get and are only allocated when all else has failed and everyone agrees it's in the best interests of the child irs not a decision taken lightly i think KP has used Havey and her other kids in many ways but I would never judge her for Harvey's placement it won't have been an easy decision.

But having able bodied young people sat around on benefits for an increasingly common condition is ludicrous! And an insult to working people, sorry.

Most of this is utter bullshit.

If you knew anything at all about finding a diagnosis, you wouldn’t spout this nonsense.

Your “relative” will have challenges way beyond what you could ever imagine. No healthcare professional in the field of neurological disability would ever insist someone couldn’t manage their symptoms and could never work. You clearly are getting half a story and making the rest up. This kind of abelism is exactly what OP is talking about.

The same help and adjustments should be offered to everyone? So where’s my wheelchair? And my guide dog? I’m outraged

Rubbertreesurgeon

Is there a problem with your reading comprehension?
There you go - you are trying to start a fight, if I bite and we start arguing, you will just go: there! You are ableist!

When I say it's people like you the problem, it's not people who are ableist, it's the few posters who try to derail threads, start fights etc.. , you are proving my point better than I was explaining.

Thank you.

Oh yeah, I absolutely agree.

My son has 2:1 support and the school tried it on when a new boy who must have additional needs started in September. It isn't happening now but it shouldn't have happened in the first place, he has 2:1 support for a reason.

Yes it’s an unsolvable problem.

leave to the state - too expensive.
give up work and look after the DC - you’re malingering and a burden on the state
keep working and use services (eg school transport) and pay tax - but your children are just too expensive and maybe you caused their issues anyway

I honestly don’t understand what people want to happen to these children.

Yes I agree that the NHS has not been coping for a long time now and waiting lists are getting longer and people are living longer with more complex issues.

So how do we fix this given the country appears to be broke? I mean actually broke. I mean the only answer is surely to change the NHS. Be that moving to a private healthcare system like America or some other system or a subsidised NHS where you pay to use it but it is subsidised.

I don't know how PIP works so I will just assume what you have said is correct.
However if the UK is now going broke at what point will we say, sorry the purse is empty. We agree you are disabled and can't work but with so many people out of work/refusing to work and no tax coming in we have no money to give you. So what actually happens at this point?

I mean when the goverment is talking about bringing in an 'exit tax' to stop wealthy people leaving the country you know we are in serious shit.

Sometimes it is because one child actually has funding in place for 1 -2-1 support and the school have decided to steal share that resource by adding another child they think needs support.

A lack of funding means that disabled and non disabled children are being failed across the country.

Because they are. Look at care statistics, children with disabilities are more likely to be in care, compared with children who don’t have disabilities. Our childrens older birth sibling is disabled, they have been in care since they were six, they require 2:1 care. Before we had a welfare state children with disabilities were even more likely to be in sate care from birth, not only is that more costly but outcomes are also worse.

NHS ADHD task force is how I know

www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/report-of-the-independent-adhd-taskforce-part-2/

ADHD diagnosis rates: We showed that in England, there is consistent evidence that ADHD is under-recognised, under-diagnosed and under-treated (including with medication).
Stigma: We noted people with lived experience report challenges and injustice around ADHD because of stigma, misinformation and misunderstanding, including among some professionals. There also are concerns about the accuracy of information on ADHD provided by some sectors of social media and traditional media. Children and adults highlighted the impacts of negative attitudes around ADHD on them. We noted additional stigmatisation for those from marginalised communities.

The abelism on SM such as we see on MN has been noted.

They also used to think you couldn't have both autism and adhd at the same time... which tjeu now know is wrong.. they also know more about how both present in girls and women, so they've stopped being excluded or given dumbass differential diagnoses.

Fortunate works both ways. Why do some parents of disabled children go on about how much money they are saving the State? The benefits you receive are to help you carry out your parental responsibility. You have a right to those benefits because you live in a society with a welfare state. Having a welfare state is a privilege.

That's because research concluded that the previous definition of ADHD was wrong. Adults can definitely have it, I do. I'm very grateful that I was able to be diagnosed and treated as an adult. I was missed in childhood and it caused profound harm.

How would you know that? Our understanding and thresholds of both of these conditions has changed massively in the last 20 years. If we decide on the future that actually the threshold should be somewhere completely different then the conditions could indeed be over diagnosed. It's not an objective, immoveable thing. This is an area of emerging science.

Where exactly you move from BAP into ASD isn't fixed for example and is highly subjective. We lowered the threshold for adults ADHD diagnoses in 2014 so this brought a lot more people under this umbrella but the threshold could easily move again.

None of this stuff is binary. There are people either side of the threshold for diagnosis with far more in common with each other than people at the more extreme ends of things.

@ThatChristmasMug

you know it's possible to question why free transport is not accessible to everyone and not only to a selected few, without being ableist.

Is there a problem with your reading comprehension? Multiple posters have explained that school transport is available to all children of the nearest suitable schools is a certain distance (iirc 3 miles for secondaries) away. It just usually is not an issue as there are plenty of mainstream schools around so it doesn't become an issue in the first place. How far is the nearest suitable school for your DC? Both of mine have complex needs including significant learning difficulties and they don't receive both a taxi. One had to enter travel training programme run by the LA and at almost 18 has been undergoing travel training - been ongoing for 5 months for a 5 mile trip to school and still not passed. It doesn't take a huge stretch of the imaginary that things are often a lot more complex if SN are involved.

How far the the nearest suitable school for your DC?

I'm pretty sure the reason the budget is so late this year is because the goverment is trying to solve an unsolvable problem. Too much going out, not enough coming in, nothing left to sell.

Are they just going to keep going borrowing more and more each month.

Surely at some point things will have to come to a head.

I mean anyone that has ever got themselves into a mess financially knows you can rob peter to pay paul for so long but eventually it all comes tumbling down and you have to default or have your house repossessed. The UK's wealth seems to be built on housing values which seems very shaky indeed. Our credit rating has been downgraded several times as a country. The budget has never been this late before. I suspect they honestly don't know how to solve it.

I suspect all of our problems are going to be so much bigger soon than arguing about taxis for kids and benefits for autism. Nobody seems to realise that only 80 years ago there was NO benefits at all and NO healthcare at all (unless you paid for it). Does everyone really think we might not be headed back to a pay or do without society.

The answer to one is a long and complex one of environment and genetics.

With modern medicine those with genetic conditions are finding more cures, allowing them to live, procreate and pass on those genetics and the potential flaws that go with them, whereas in previous centuries they may have died young or been sent away/kept out of sight.. there is plenty of evidence of this.

My family are all ASD/ADHD, my son is the first who is bad enough that its profoundly affected him into needing specialist care and education, the rest of us muddle through by finding our niche in life that suits the strengths we do have and lets us work around the deficits of our disabilities.... be it computers, engineering, cooking, art, or childcare,

I'm the most physically disabled, unfortunately nothing could have predicted it, some is from injury/trauma, some is genetic, some is environmental.

When you add in the chemicals and crap, and noise, and light..etc that modern society pushes on us, it is no wonder those with autism struggle.. the world is brighter, louder, and there is more expectation to conform.

Most of those a PP mentioned are outstanding in their fields, they forged their own paths and managed to find what works.

Not everyone has the opportunity or skills to do the same.