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Cut benefits before increasing council tax

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Bonde · 15/11/2025 15:19

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/reeves-council-tax-hike-5HjdMrJ_2/

As an increase in income tax is now out the window, the government will have to look at other ways to fill the gap by increasing a dozen smaller taxes. One option, I think they will opt for, is to apply a surcharge for homes in bands F,G&H. It would be politically expedient to do so because many people will assume those in such homes are wealthy.

We purchased our band f property earlier this year at £550k. We live in London and didn’t want to uproot our family, and move jobs, so decided to buy our 2.5 bed house.
After mortgage and bills, we have £100 to £200 left over, but some months have nothing. An increase would be so difficult to manage.

Why can’t the government have the courage to cut benefits. You can buy a BMW or Mercedes on the Mobility Scheme! Why?

Reeves set to hit thousands of homes with new levy after massive U-turn on income tax | LBC

The Chancellor is preparing to hit homes in the highest council tax bands with a new surcharge

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/reeves-council-tax-hike-5HjdMrJ_2/

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Overthemhills · 15/11/2025 20:16

@Pasadena
So how much time would you place on my daughter’s abilities? She can’t walk or talk or eat. She probably has intellectual disabilities that mean she will stay at the mental age of a below 5 year old for life.
Please tell me how long a Welfare State system should allow her?

Papyrophile · 15/11/2025 20:15

i'd agree the triple lock should go, and yes, pensions and pensioners are going to be a mahoosive drain on the public purse while the babyboomers process through the system, but they will die off. I am one, born in 1956. My dad is still in decent health at nearly 92 (no medication), although away with the fairies and looked after attentively by his second wife. So I may well live to be 100, and while I have saved into my SIPP for 25 years, there will not be enough money to fund many years in a care home at £80k or £90k annually in my dotage.

If I receive a dementia diagnosis, I plan to wade into the sea, in a wet suit, with a gun and put a bullet through my brain. Just hope I can manage it.

UserFront242 · 15/11/2025 20:14

Helpingout2000 · 15/11/2025 20:01

Of course everyone is worried about their own circumstances.

A self employed person is worried about clients, an employee worried about their employer and someone on benefits worried about the financial state of the government.

The self employed person has the most control over their destiny and the benefits person has the least. All down to choice, aptitude and resilience.

Yes, because being disabled is a choice and can be dealt with with simple aptitude and resilience.
If you are on benefits, you need to be resilient dealing with all the shitty judgements on here and online.

Overthemhills · 15/11/2025 20:12

@Helpingout2000
don’t forget birth defects and life- limiting conditions that anyone can acquire regardless of their “.resilience “.
Did Rob Burrow factor in MND when he was starting out his rugby career?

UserFront242 · 15/11/2025 20:01

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Said like someone who has no idea what the job market is like right now.

Helpingout2000 · 15/11/2025 20:01

Kirbert2 · 15/11/2025 19:53

So people on benefits aren't allowed to worry about their situations getting worse but OP is?

Of course people are ultimately going to worry about their own situations more.

Of course everyone is worried about their own circumstances.

A self employed person is worried about clients, an employee worried about their employer and someone on benefits worried about the financial state of the government.

The self employed person has the most control over their destiny and the benefits person has the least. All down to choice, aptitude and resilience.

Pasadena · 15/11/2025 19:59

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Kirbert2 · 15/11/2025 19:53

Lifeofthepartay · 15/11/2025 19:47

No, but that is her current situation, which will be made worst , and I do think having NO money left over is poverty. Benefits are all well and good but there is no magic money tree and the government's solution is taxing workers more and more pushing them into poverty, instead of taxing billionaires. People on benefits seem to not care either where the money comes from as long as they get theirs, but we have to be realistic.

So people on benefits aren't allowed to worry about their situations getting worse but OP is?

Of course people are ultimately going to worry about their own situations more.

Overthemhills · 15/11/2025 19:50

@Kirbert2
Part of the point of benefits bashing is the staunch refusal to acknowledge that benefits- even receiving the maximum possible (whatever that is, I don’t actually know) for two adults will never equal the income of two adults (partnered) working even minimum wage jobs .
The reality of a life on benefits is supplanted by a notion that people on benefits have “extra” money for “nothing” despite every possible piece of evidence to the contrary.
There is no changing people wanting to vote Reform or hating Labour or wishing the Tories were back (why?) and those ignoring the shit caused by Brexit. There just isn’t.
The most any individual can do is correct people making up utter bollocks about disability and how it affects the sufferers (although that will usually be ignored or mocked) and/or the rampant ill-informed nonsense about how Motability operates and the cost to the end-users (because those who don’t need to use it won’t have the vaguest idea of why someone would chose to swap their “free cash” for “acne” 😉 for a car they’ll never own. I’d rather have the “free cash” than swap it for a fucking gas-guzzling van that offends the universe any day, and that is extortionately leased but sadly my immobile daughter and her pesky disabilities requires otherwise.

UserFront242 · 15/11/2025 19:50

Lifeofthepartay · 15/11/2025 19:47

No, but that is her current situation, which will be made worst , and I do think having NO money left over is poverty. Benefits are all well and good but there is no magic money tree and the government's solution is taxing workers more and more pushing them into poverty, instead of taxing billionaires. People on benefits seem to not care either where the money comes from as long as they get theirs, but we have to be realistic.

"People on benefits".
People on benefits are not one homogenous mass that have one singular opinion. You just seem to want to demonise them.
You could join their ranks one day.

UserFront242 · 15/11/2025 19:48

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If you are not disabled, then the amount of UC you are expected to live on is about £400pm.
People on that get into debt, use food banks etc. And you want to cut it more?

Lifeofthepartay · 15/11/2025 19:47

Kirbert2 · 15/11/2025 19:40

You think that having £100-£200 left over after mortgage and bills is poverty?

No, but that is her current situation, which will be made worst , and I do think having NO money left over is poverty. Benefits are all well and good but there is no magic money tree and the government's solution is taxing workers more and more pushing them into poverty, instead of taxing billionaires. People on benefits seem to not care either where the money comes from as long as they get theirs, but we have to be realistic.

EasternStandard · 15/11/2025 19:46

Helpingout2000 · 15/11/2025 19:45

Posts reacted to this poster. My comment was highlighting posts on other threads by this person.

Well yawn away it won’t help much.

Sirzy · 15/11/2025 19:45

When someone’s answer to solving the problems in the country is to fuck over the disabled it says more about them than anything else!

Helpingout2000 · 15/11/2025 19:45

LadyKenya · 15/11/2025 19:06

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Pasadena · 15/11/2025 19:45

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SpaceRaccoon · 15/11/2025 19:41

Kirbert2 · 15/11/2025 19:40

You think that having £100-£200 left over after mortgage and bills is poverty?

It's clearly far too much wealth, best tax it and redistribute it.

Kirbert2 · 15/11/2025 19:40

Lifeofthepartay · 15/11/2025 18:53

But do you realise that increases in tax are sending others into poverty, how is that fair? Do you see the OP saying she has £100 to £200 left and has no benefits?

You think that having £100-£200 left over after mortgage and bills is poverty?

EasternStandard · 15/11/2025 19:40

rainingsnoring · 15/11/2025 19:37

I haven't read many of her other posts but think she is very loudly anti Labour. She perhaps doesn't realise that the Tories also increased taxes and that, if they had been voted in instead of Labour, or any other party instead, they would be in the same position and would also be increasing taxes. I see the Farage has been tearing up his manifesto from 2024 already now that there is a realistic chance that his party may win in 2029.

‘She’ I think the pp was referring to the other poster. If you’re referring to me 😂 I can see your post.

Yes Labour are increasing tax in some way. Some will yawn as it’s not them coughing up as usual.

You too? As long as it’s not you paying?

rainingsnoring · 15/11/2025 19:37

Helpingout2000 · 15/11/2025 19:34

Read her posts on other threads..... interesting

I haven't read many of her other posts but think she is very loudly anti Labour. She perhaps doesn't realise that the Tories also increased taxes and that, if they had been voted in instead of Labour, or any other party instead, they would be in the same position and would also be increasing taxes. I see the Farage has been tearing up his manifesto from 2024 already now that there is a realistic chance that his party may win in 2029.

Helpingout2000 · 15/11/2025 19:34

EasternStandard · 15/11/2025 19:26

I’m glad paying more makes you yawn. How much are you coughing up?

Read her posts on other threads..... interesting

EasternStandard · 15/11/2025 19:33

Overthemhills · 15/11/2025 19:32

@EasternStandard
Your asserted claim that taxes will go up seems very much at odds with what the media now reports - all speculation of course- so do tell what your insights are?

Really? The latest is the council tax thing in the op.

Overthemhills · 15/11/2025 19:32

@EasternStandard
Your asserted claim that taxes will go up seems very much at odds with what the media now reports - all speculation of course- so do tell what your insights are?

EasternStandard · 15/11/2025 19:26

LadyKenya · 15/11/2025 19:06

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I’m glad paying more makes you yawn. How much are you coughing up?

Overthemhills · 15/11/2025 19:25

We purchased our band f property earlier this year at £550k. We live in London and didn’t want to uproot our family, and move jobs, so decided to buy our 2.5 bed house.
After mortgage and bills, we have £100 to £200 left over, but some months have nothing. An increase would be so difficult to manage.
Why can’t the government have the courage to cut benefits. You can buy a BMW or Mercedes on the Mobility Scheme! Why?

.. So OP .. your words - have you had an answer to your poorly juxtaposed examples yet?
Do you realise that the Motability scheme has fuck all to do with your choices?

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