Donald Trump BBC

I don't like Trump at all. But I hate disinformation. I think he is right to stand up to it. I'm shocked really at this behaviour by the BBC. Surely they knew it was slanderous disinformation? Don't they pride themselves on the truth?

As soon as I hear this I though of Dr Evil

It wasn’t a news broadcast.
It didn’t manipulate me - I knew he’d wanted that insurrection and encouraged it back when it happened.

I support Donald Trump in this case. It's about time the media are held accountable for their actions. We don't pay them to manipulate us (as they have done here), we pay them to give us impartial news. Good luck to him.

I don’t think he has any grounds. He hasn’t materially suffered, it hasn’t harmed his reputation (we all knew he was a treasonous twat) or cost him anything. It was all true things he’d said. We’d all heard what he said at the time. It’s a vexatious claim and a distraction fro his links to Epstein

He doesn’t have a slam dunk case, time bar issues aside. I think given the reputation he has he would struggle to establish that the editing was defamatory

Yes, I agree that would have been more sensible.

They were made 50 minutes apart though. They should just have quoted one part of the speech verbatim or made it clear that those comments were not made together.

Why?

Not two separate speeches. One speech. This keeps coming up and it’s starting to be a tell for people repeating arguments they’ve heard elsewhere.
It’s also not a lie. It’s a slight misrepresentation, but doesn’t materially affect what I already knew about that speech and his behaviour after it.

I totally agree but the man has been involved in over 4000 lawsuits so the BBC giving him an opportunity by splicing two comments given in two separate speeches together and effectively appearing to show a totally different meaning was misguided. I don't think they have a case to answer as his reputation was not changed in the slightest as we all know what type of man he is but this has given him an opening to make the news all about him again when there are so many other important news events to report on. It also gives the impression that the BBC lies which should not be the case with a public broadcaster so people will inevitably wonder what else they lie about.

YABU. I hope he takes them down.

I’ve said there was a failure of oversight. Suggesting it affected Trump’s meaning or how people thought about him is nonsense though.

Well presumably even if another company did the editing the BBC panorama team have people fact checking or they should. There was evidence aplenty for the actual full speech he made. Their agenda was to sensationalise it and a president actually inciting violence on Capitol Hill will do that. That may have been his actual intention but his words do not bear that out.

Agreed apart from - they didn't edit, it was another company and I’m not sure what yo7u mean by ‘their agenda’

The BBC did not really need to edit the comments in the first place so they were idiotic. DT says stupid things all the time and is constantly threatening to sue so they should have made sure he did not have the opportunity. I think this is all just a distraction from his unpopularity in the US and abroad and the Epstein files saga.

Personally if the BBC never mentioned his name or showed his face again on our screens I would be happier as he just loves the airtime. The programme was not shown in the US, it was shown before he was elected so defamation is a ridiculous suit to bring as it obviously did not affect his cult following in the US. It is no coincidence that this comes up just as the heat is winding up on the Epstein files and the government shutdown.

They would be crazy to pay out on this as it opens the doors to other crackpot suits but hopefully they will learn from this and just report on facts rather than try and edit to match their own agenda.

It wasn’t a news report. It was a documentary mad by another company. Should the6 have caught it in quality control? Of course. But it wasn’t a news report, and most of us recognise that it reflects what Trump meant. We all know what he wanted to happen.

I hope he sues and wins. It's about time the BBC was held accountable for this kind of thing. How do we know anything they report is accurate now?

True!
Although he may view this as a good distraction to what’s all over social media about him at the moment..!

I think DT has more pressing things to think about atm.

How is doctoring a speech by someone else free speech? I’m ready and waiting for this to be explained to me because I call it lying to the viewers.

Peacefully to fight is pretty much the opposite

No, it's not just about Panorama. It's also about Newsnight, BBC Verify, BBC Arabic, the LGBTQ news desk, the style guide, BBC complaints ...

What Trump said: “We are gonna walk down to the Capitol and I’ll be with you. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”

What he said after Panorama's edit: “We’re gonna walk down to the Capitol and I’ll be with you and we fight. We fight like hell and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not gonna have a country anymore.”

But the programme wasn’t broadcast in Florida…

He really doesn’t have a case. It would have to prove both a detrimental effect on his reputation and an actual loss.
He had no reputation in the first place, everyone knows he wanted the insurrection, plus the other cases he’s lost.
He got re-elected so no detriment.
It’s nonsense.