Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think my friend was racist, rude or both?

363 replies

RicottaOtter · 15/11/2025 10:40

I was talking to a friend this morning. This friend is very concerned about excessive immigration to the UK, and plans to vote reform at the next general election because she believes only reform have the guts to tackle the problem properly. I was listening and not saying anything when this friend suddenly said, ‘Don’t worry - you’ll be okay, because of your husband, and you’re a mother to English children…’

I was gobsmacked at first - then realised she was talking about my ethnicity (one quarter English/one quarter white South African but originally English/half East European Jewish). I’ve lived in England my entire life and as far as I’m concerned I’m as English as this friend who was talking to me - whatever my ancestry might be.

Now, remember, this friend was (I think?) trying to be nice and reassuring (‘Don’t worry, you’ll* be okay’) - but I felt quite horrified and angry to have this said to me - am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
JHound · 17/11/2025 15:29

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

You assume it’s that easy. Nowhere near as easy as being a citizen and costly to have to pay for a visa each time.

JHound · 17/11/2025 15:28

Falraven · 17/11/2025 12:31

Because it's rude to be posting on social media when you have visitors. Basic manners.

Then add to that, posting about someone actually with you.

She was simply mirroring her friend’s bad manners.

Holluschickie · 17/11/2025 15:25

I detest racist 'bluster' and threats from both Farage and Trump and stay clear of people who defend it being used agaisnt anyone not white enough.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 17/11/2025 15:25

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

Yes. It's expensive, especially if the whole family needs paying for.

IFoundThem · 17/11/2025 15:23

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

Holluschickie · 17/11/2025 15:12

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

Those well known criminals Rosie O' Donnell and Zohran Mamdani, among others whose views he doesn't like.
www.politico.com/news/2025/07/12/trump-revoke-citizenship-rosie-odonnell-00449920

IFoundThem · 17/11/2025 15:04

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

IFoundThem · 17/11/2025 15:04

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

Doingtheboxerbeat · 17/11/2025 14:40

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

But the uncertainty and stress will be untold, not to mention the money you would probably have to spend. It would be so dumb to be so complacent about anything in 2025 if you are paying any kind of attention to politics across the pond.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 17/11/2025 14:24

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

I would have said exactly the same about removing ILR - legally hard and politically infeasible. I didn't even imagine that Farage would go so far before the election, but he just came out with the announcement as if it was nothing.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he went down the route of removing citizenship from people in the future. Especially from those who were naturalised as adults or those who hold dual citizenship.

If you can take away indefinite leave to remain, you can take away citizenship. Our only hope is that the courts will find a way of blocking either.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 17/11/2025 14:20

Falraven · 17/11/2025 12:31

Because it's rude to be posting on social media when you have visitors. Basic manners.

Then add to that, posting about someone actually with you.

Why would anyone care about basic manners towards a visitor who has just made a racist comment towards them in their own home? Surely normal manners are irrelevant at that point.

Many people would have simply asked the "friend" to leave. The OP took a more measured response and tried to gauge reactions from others before deciding how to proceed.

IFoundThem · 17/11/2025 14:18

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

nomas · 17/11/2025 14:17

What is Englishness? Do people think Ian Wright isn't English because despite being born in England, he is black and his parents were born in Jamaica? What confers Englishness?

cardibach · 17/11/2025 14:14

Falraven · 17/11/2025 12:31

Because it's rude to be posting on social media when you have visitors. Basic manners.

Then add to that, posting about someone actually with you.

She could have been in bed?
When I have friends to stay we do have downtime when we might do some browsing or whatever anyway, it’s not necessarily rude. Plus it’s nowhere near as rude as suggesting OP, as a British Citizen, is only ‘fine’ because her husband is white British.

drspouse · 17/11/2025 14:05

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

And what if Reform decides to strip them of their citizenship?
I'm a dual national (from birth, rather than through acquiring one citizenship) but the way the world is I'm definitely not giving up my non-UK citizenship.
I'm lucky in that neither of my citizenships make you choose: but some UK and other dual nationals who are born with both have to choose at 18. I'd hate to be in that position.

IFoundThem · 17/11/2025 12:48

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

Falraven · 17/11/2025 12:31

cardibach · 15/11/2025 12:40

Why shouldn’t she?

Because it's rude to be posting on social media when you have visitors. Basic manners.

Then add to that, posting about someone actually with you.

Falraven · 17/11/2025 12:28

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 15/11/2025 12:33

I guess it isn't easy to ask someone who you thought was a friend to leave. The OP is probably in shock!

I was more thinking you'd wait till she'd gone to post.

SuffolkSun · 17/11/2025 12:25

Supercooper11 · 17/11/2025 10:18

Where’s the racist bit? Expecting your country to put its own citizens first and wanting illegal undocumented migrants removed is not racist. The country is in crisis. Every service is overwhelmed and it’s due to the fact that too many are taking from the system and not contributing anything to it.

That poster wasn't talking about "undocumented illegal migrants". By definition, no one has a definite figure for how many there are. What is known is that many arrived legally, so were documented, have overstayed their visas so are now undocumented. That poster was, deliberately, describing asylum seekers as "illegals" and won't or can't see that "undocumented" does not mean arriving on a boat without a passport. Despite being told repeatedly that it's not illegal to seek asylum and that, thanks to deliberate (Tory) policy, arriving by boat across the channel is now the only way to do it - she has a view on non-white people claiming asylum and it's racist.

"Too many are taking from the system and not contributing". Lack of funding for public services isn't because of the roughly 110,000 people currently waiting for their asylum application to be settled (and those who don't get asylum status are removed from the country). It's because of years of deliberate underfunding of services, predominantly by Tory govts. I'll put money on that poster voting for one or more of those govts. The dire state of public finances isn't because of "migrants" or "asylum seekers". It's because of short-termist UK govt policy, failure to effectively structure the economy, global factors which impact us - and Brexit, which is costing an estimated £40bn a year in lost tax revenues, and an overall hit of 4% of GDP (currently £100bn) a year. I'll put money on that poster being a Brexit voter, cos "sovereignty's worth the cost". And now the accurate forwarnings of what Brexit would mean are coming into operation and she is directly affected - she's blaming her choice on "illegals". By whom she means, non-white people, purely because of their non-whiteness. Racist.

Ironically - or perhaps absolutely par for the course - that poster is one of those who take from the system and contribute nothing. Her choice to have children. Her choice to sit on her backside for three years waiting for the council (aka taxpayers) to provide her with her dream house. Why isn't she supporting the children she chose to have herself? Because, if she's going to judge others on the basis of crass stereotypes and ill-informed generalisations, she should expect others to judge her in exactly the same way.

JHound · 17/11/2025 12:05

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

Multiple reasons: ease of visiting, they have assets there, may want to take extended trips, may want to / end up retiring there or simply want an easy escape plan if Britain turns into a fascist ethno state.

You can want to make somewhere your home but still not want to lose another citizenship.

And it won’t deal with issues as you cannot trust Reform not to simply cancel citizenship status of people they would rather not have here.

JHound · 17/11/2025 12:02

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

Why? Why should they need to especially if they do like to visit to see family and it may make a whole host of things difficult if they wish to visit / go on extended visits, have assets there or even wish to retire their decades down the line.

Holluschickie · 17/11/2025 11:45

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

Ok. Your position is clear.
I continue to believe Reform voters are racist and this thread confirms it.

IFoundThem · 17/11/2025 11:18

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

IFoundThem · 17/11/2025 11:15

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

Holluschickie · 17/11/2025 10:47

JHound · 17/11/2025 10:43

Why is it madness to believe this. Reform has shifted from talking about illegal immigrants to those with permanent leave to remain.

We have heard the “send them back / deport them” comments whenever a black and brown Briton does something negative (and “negative” has a very broad definition - Laurence Fox recently called for Zarah Sultana to “be sent back where she comes from” and she is from Birmingham) and we already have a legal precedence for a born and bred Briton of foreign ancestry being stripped of their citizenship and left stateless.

The current rhetoric absolutely will leave a lot of “2nd generations” fearful that when so many on protests call for “remigration now” they are not just talking about illegal immigrants.

Exactly..On this very thread posters have gone from supposedly being only against illegal immigration to calling for legal ILR holders to jump through hoops and likely end up being chucked out.

Who earns £60k in the UK?
Just be honest and say you want all foreigners out.