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AIBU to think that just leaving is no better than cheating?

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Camille99 · 14/11/2025 10:20

My husband left 2 years ago. He just told me he was leaving with no warning. He said he still loved me but wasn't in love with me. We were married for 7 years and have 2 children. He maintains he is a great guy because he left and didn't cheat. He left because he talked to a woman he liked on a night out. A week later he was with her. He actually thinks he's a nice guy and one of the good ones because he left instead of cheating. Like it doesn't cross his mind that he could have not left and forgotten about her and maintained our great family lives. He has even got a tattoo now of a wolf and below it it says "loyalty". You couldn't make it up.

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TodaRythm · 14/11/2025 12:58

You are wrong.
Leaving, or ending things, is better than cheating. Of course it is.
I am sure that you have gone through a hellish time having to cope with the fallout of his decision.
But you can't be so flippant to equate his behaviour with a cheating husband that is consistently lying to their partner and putting her at risk of STDs.
It is not even close to being on the same scale.
Good luck.

Camille99 · 14/11/2025 12:58

Didimum · 14/11/2025 12:51

OP, come on. He was definitely full on cheating – he just fed you a lie. The woman having lived away has nothing to do with it. She was clearly present enough for him to 'chat to' and decide to end his marriage for, wasn't she?

Yes probably. I don't really care if he was cheating or not. It's the fact that we are still getting divorced and he's dragging his heels and he's still saying it's all fine because he left instead of cheating.

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CheshireCat1 · 14/11/2025 12:57

Regardless of him cheating or not, he broke his marriage vows, they obviously didn’t mean as much to him as they do you. Just try and get on with your life now, he’s not worth a second thought.

JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 14/11/2025 12:57

Camille99 · 14/11/2025 12:15

But are you pretending everything is fine or are you being honest with your partner???? Pretending everything is fine when you feel like this is not ok.

No I do not pretend everything is okay.

But 2 things - 1 I do not bang on every moment of every day in front of the kids etc. Because that would be awful. So there are good times, or apparently so.
2 people see and hear what they want. I will say things like "I am really unhappy and I don't know if I can keep doing this". DH will later say, "you were tired" or "yeah but then we had a really good time doing X with the kids". For him that overrides the earlier convo. For me, it doesn't.

Be honest, had he really never ever shown signs? Arguments, misaligned values, lack of sex? Really?

I mean it's possible but in my view, people "on the other side" frequently fool themselves rather than take responsibility and admit it's over.

GreyCarpet · 14/11/2025 12:56

vellichoria · 14/11/2025 12:00

He said he still loved me but wasn't in love with me.

I never understood the meaning of this and wish someone could explain the meaning of this to me!

@Camille99 I think the other woman was on the scene when he decided to leave. I am guessing from your post that he may not have started his relationship with her before properly ending things with you and this is why he believes he was a nice guy. I don't really think it matters whether it's the same as cheating. It just sounds like he fell in love with someone else. If he really did decide to end your relationship before starting the new one, then I would see that as a decent and right thing to do.

Could he have just forgotten about the other woman and just stayed in the relationship? This depends on how strongly he felt about her. Even if he did stay and eventually forgot about her, the point is that he didn't, unfortunately, feel strongly enough about your relationship to stay. Would you prefer it that he stayed and you may never meet someone, who truly loves you, and instead live your life with someone who doesn't?

It means, "I'm comfortable and familiar with you. Life is easy and I could quite easily carry on like this for years but I now fancy someone else and I'd rather have sex with them than continue this charade with you."

And I think a lot of people stay in the "comfortable and familiar" relationship until.they meet someone who is worth dropping the charade for.

Hence the whole ^too bad to stay; too good to leave dichotomy.

Didimum · 14/11/2025 12:51

OP, come on. He was definitely full on cheating – he just fed you a lie. The woman having lived away has nothing to do with it. She was clearly present enough for him to 'chat to' and decide to end his marriage for, wasn't she?

Outside9 · 14/11/2025 12:49

I think it's better he left, instead of cheating, and then leaving.

But I agree it doesn't make it any less painful.

LadyTable · 14/11/2025 12:47

SplendidUtterly · 14/11/2025 12:43

He wouldn't have left his family for a woman he had only known for a week and hadn't even had sex with?
There is more to this story that he isn't telling you.

He wouldn't have left his family for a woman he had only known for a week and hadn't even had sex with?

Agreed.

But I don't think there's more to the story.

He already told the OP straight and plain that he didn't love her anymore.

Tartanboots · 14/11/2025 12:45

Unfortunately, for you anyway, you can't force someone to be in a relationship when they don't want to be, and it doesn't make them a bad person in any way.

Sartre · 14/11/2025 12:44

SplendidUtterly · 14/11/2025 12:43

He wouldn't have left his family for a woman he had only known for a week and hadn't even had sex with?
There is more to this story that he isn't telling you.

He potentially would if he had been unhappy for a long time and someone made him see ‘the light’ so to speak. Sometimes people snap and realise they need to get out of a situation, it happens.

SplendidUtterly · 14/11/2025 12:43

He wouldn't have left his family for a woman he had only known for a week and hadn't even had sex with?
There is more to this story that he isn't telling you.

Starconundrum · 14/11/2025 12:43

CoffeeLipstickKeys · 14/11/2025 10:25

Routinely People create a reality and a narrative that protects their ego and justifies their actions.He obviously sees himself as a principled man
Is he still with this woman?

This is the truest thing I've ever read.

Starlight1984 · 14/11/2025 12:42

BauhausOfEliott · 14/11/2025 12:14

OP, I think you need to stop analysing this. It happened two years ago and the relationship is long since over. It doesn't matter why/when he left; the fact is that he wasn't happy and he didn't want to be in the relationship any more. Whether that's because he met someone else or just didn't feel enough for you any more is immaterial. The end result is the same.

Dwelling on this isn't going to help you.

I always agree with your comments @BauhausOfEliott 😂

But also what @JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff and @Sartre say.

It isn't as simple as all cheaters are fucking awful people and deserve unhappiness. If someone is truly happy in a marriage / relationship then it's pretty unlikely they're going to leave. Whether that's for someone else or not.
Cheating is usually the by-product of someone being unhappy and to be honest, I would someone left me in this way than stayed with me and was miserable.

I've said this on here before but my Grandparents got together when they were dating other people (way back in the 1940s!). They went on to have 6 children and were married until my Grandad died 15 years ago and were truly happy. But my Gran once said to me "you'd be naïve to think that every couple in the world were single when they got together. That would be a perfect world and we're far from that."

Swiftie1878 · 14/11/2025 12:42

Camille99 · 14/11/2025 11:50

I doubt he was cheating with her as I do know she'd just moved back home after living away. If rather he didn't cheat and didn't leave and had just forgotten about her. I feel like if I fancied a man in a bar I'd just ignore it. Really is the fact that he maintains what he did was fine and there was nothing wrong with it at all.

You would rather he had stayed and been unhappy with you?
Your emotions are ruling your head here. Be glad that he just left and didn’t mess you about for years on end. He had checked out of your marriage then met someone which was the catalyst to him leaving. That’s better than any alternative given that he didn’t want to be with you any longer.

Clipclophair · 14/11/2025 12:40

Camille99 · 14/11/2025 12:36

Read what I wrote not just the title 🤣

What’s funny?

I don’t think leaving is as bad as cheating and I’m wondering why you’re so fixated on it two years later.

Camille99 · 14/11/2025 12:36

Clipclophair · 14/11/2025 12:35

I left my ex because I had major ick and everything he did was annoying me. A whole lot of wee small things. I had a lightbulb moment and just left. Just said. I’m done. It’s over.

I wasn’t cheating and I didn’t have anyone in the wings.

so according to you that’s as bad as if I’d cheated? Really?

Read what I wrote not just the title 🤣

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randomusernam · 14/11/2025 12:36

I wouldn’t say he’s a good guy but I also wouldn’t call him a villain and I do think what he did is better than lying and cheating. Cheating makes your question everything because of the lying you then can’t trust a word they say and ever know if they’re telling the truth. Also he clearly didn’t think he had a happy family life if he did what he did. It’s harsh but his reality was not yours.

Clipclophair · 14/11/2025 12:35

I left my ex because I had major ick and everything he did was annoying me. A whole lot of wee small things. I had a lightbulb moment and just left. Just said. I’m done. It’s over.

I wasn’t cheating and I didn’t have anyone in the wings.

so according to you that’s as bad as if I’d cheated? Really?

Kbroughton · 14/11/2025 12:33

You can spend a lot of time and energy here focusing on the wrong thing. My Exh cheated on me and left - although he always maintained (and still does) that it wasnt really cheating as he only kissed her and didn't have sex, even though it went on for a year - people make things up to make themselves feel better and I actually think he believes his story. I spent a long time,probably about a year, waiting for karma to catch up with him and being angry that he could waltz off and re write history. I went to counselling and realised I only hurting myself. You cant control what he thinks or does - you cant make him see he is an arse. You can't re write history - nothing can change what happened,you have to accept that to be able to move on. What you can do though is own your story - him telling a different narrative does not alter your truth. You know what he did was unkind and that he left his family and shacked up with someone very quickly. Own it, and now turn your attention to living your life and find a way to let go of the hurt and pain.

WhatAKnob47 · 14/11/2025 12:30

He wasn't committed to you, your relationship or maintaining a family with you. He certainly wasn't loyal. I often think people are attractive. I'm married not dead from the waist down. In 15 years I haven't pursued anyone else because I choose my children's stability and my H above my vagina. Your Ex isn't a big loss.

Camille99 · 14/11/2025 12:30

NeverHadHaveHas · 14/11/2025 12:26

Would that have changed the outcome though?

Yes definitely. I wouldn't have been so absolutely blindsided.

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LadyTable · 14/11/2025 12:29

Like it doesn't cross his mind that he could have not left and forgotten about her and maintained our great family lives.

How do you do that with someone you've fallen out of love with?

Even if the woman never existed, if you don't love someone anymore then maintaining a great family life would be pretty much impossible.

NeverHadHaveHas · 14/11/2025 12:26

Camille99 · 14/11/2025 12:17

Yea I just think he would have been a better man if he'd given me a little tiny indication that things weren't good instead of pretending he had been happy as anything and then suddenly doing a 360.

Would that have changed the outcome though?

Sartre · 14/11/2025 12:23

Eskarina1 · 14/11/2025 12:13

I think cheating is part of a broader commitment to work on the relationship and find a path through difficult times. So to me, just walking away because he saw a pretty woman in a bar is just as bad as cheating. Loyalty means not just giving up. What he did was the direct opposite of loyal.

This doesn’t make even a jot of sense. You think a man who stays but cheats is more loyal than a man who falls for someone else and chooses to leave rather than cheat?!

LidlAmaretto · 14/11/2025 12:22

JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 14/11/2025 12:03

But he didn't want to be in a relationship with you. You did not have a great family life, from his POV.

I am in a sexless marriage where I am not happy, because although on the surface DH is a great dad, he does not pull his weight around the house. I would like to leave because I want sex and would like to find a relationship where that is possible before I am too old.

I have chosen for the moment to not just leave because of the family. DH does not work and would be in a very bad financial situation if I left. I would also not be able to fund 2 households in the area we are now, so we'd need to move and the kids would lose their bedrooms, change schools, move away from friends. I judge that is too much disruption for them right now.

So I am prioritising family life now but it is shit. It is not a choice between "be happy with your family or cheat", it's a choice between "sign up to a crappy relationship you don't want to be in or leave and hurt people".

I'm in the same position ( although I'd be happy never to have sex again, I'd just like to be left alone to do my own thing!) and an making the same choice for the same reasons.

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