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To think perhaps my son isn’t autistic but instead modern society is too challenging for him to cope with.

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SpinningTops · 14/11/2025 06:54

My son is 7 and on the long waiting list for an autism assessment.

Sometimes I wonder whether he would cope absolutely fine if he was an 80s or 90s child. Maybe it’s rose tinted glasses but modern life seems so chaotic and jam packed, so much to learn at school etc.

He’s in a small class at school and seeing the number of children struggling, so many with ‘special jobs’ to just get them into the classroom, makes me think something is wrong with the system rather than all these children being neurodiverse. And this is an absolutely wonderful school which outwardly he says he loves.

It’s just something I’ve been thinking more and more about recently …

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OneAmberFinch · 14/11/2025 08:25

Barnbrack · 14/11/2025 08:06

My son barely saw a screen until he was over 3 but he still had very clear adhd traits from babyhood. Reflux baby, screamed constantly, desperate to be mobile, walked at 9 months unaided, running by 10 months, climbed everything, had no interest in a screen as it would mean sitting down. I had friends with boys the same age and we spent all day either in parks or softplays or playgroups because they all had a lot of energy. Yet I remember when all the boys were chasing round a tree one day and the other 2 sat down to eat and drink, my son ate 2 bites and was back running at speed. He spent about 3 times as long constantly moving as his pals.

Incidentally one for those boys had an entirely screen free existence with a very crunchy German mum and moved back to Germany when they were 4, still screen free, very monessori, diagnosed at 7 with ADHD and attended a socialist school for a year to get school ready.

It's an inate brain difference. Before screens were the focus it was something else. For me it was novels and encyclopedias. My son has screens, his current obsession though is Pokémon and while he has Pokémon switch games his favourite passtime is Pokémon books filled with facts and categorisations.

You see what you want to see.

Also he can't focus on a screen even the way a neurotypical kid does, he plays a switch game hanging upside down off a chair cycling his legs and manages 20 minutes stints even at that. I see friends kids who totally zone out on a screen, my kid is upside down or jogging on the spot and talking incessantly about what he's viewing or playing. He's also rather be outside or trampoline or basically in constant motion which you just can't be and screens give us and him a brief break from the constant movement.

I think something can be an innate brain difference and yet also be either a disability or neutral/useful depending on the environment. To me the "severity" of ASD/ADHD/ND conditions is essentially a question of "how many environments that actually exist in the world could this person still function in", which isn't a pure spectrum as it varies by the person and their needs/preferences.

I think my brain works differently from other people's but I've been very lucky to have had my life structured in a way that usually minimises any effects. Only very occasionally I get out of this routine and realise how very much it is helping me.

waterrat · 14/11/2025 08:23

Yes . The education system plus the almost complete loss of child freedom plays a role.

Just one example...erosion of playtime breaks and the stripping of play from year 1 and 2....

Children dont get to physically move enough ! They are forced to sit still too much and focus for toonlong on formal learning each day

This is why we have a massive mh crisis among all children and of course Nd kids struggle even more

Year 6 for example. Incredibly stressful snd pressured for schools teachers and all children despite there being no need for this at all..sats literally ruin the last year of primary. Out of 32 children some hugely struggle in the busy stressed classroom but no resources to give them separate spaces and pressure to get them through sats

My 11 year old is autistic. She desperately wants to be at mainstream secondary but the one size fits all approach is absolutely impossible for her.

Within 3 weeks of starting secondary she is unable to attend!! Its horrific for her and for us

I actually dont know what her options would nave been 25 years ago i dont think ahe would ever have coped

But the strict rigidity of the day the lack of breaks or any flexibility. Make it impossible for many kids

Sandp1p3r · 14/11/2025 08:23

MumofCandRA · 14/11/2025 08:11

They absolutely are being over diagnosed. This will be the shame of the decade, in years to come. We're not helping our young or society by over diagnosing.

You are completely wrong.ADHD is under diagnosed and under treated in this country as highlighted by the NHS ADHD task force. It’s a national disgrace.

www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/report-of-the-independent-adhd-taskforce-part-1/

Needspaceforlego · 14/11/2025 08:22

I'll also say secondary schools dictating that kids must always wear blazers is nuts and probably doesn't help kids either.

I remember kids carrying them because they didn't like wearing them, or just general comfort of being too hot.
I dred my youngest going to secondary. I think I'm doing well if he'll put a fleece on.

sunshine244 · 14/11/2025 08:22

I think the presumption of mainstream here in scotland has made things much worse. The level of need in classes is getting higher each year. Children with severe behaviour issues, non verbal etc. Our primary have had to install new security to stop kids escaping because they are high risk for bolting, climbing etc.

Huge resources are going to a few very high need individuals leaving very little support for the other children with ASN. Years ago my autistic child would have been in a special school. Now they are one of the forgotten ones struggling in mainstream with no support due to higher needs children that constantly disrupt learning. It's a system that doesn't benefit anyone.

I gather part of the reason is that therr are so many high medical needs children surviving that wouldn't have in the past. So special schools are full of very complex needs and everyone gets pushed up a level.

Medexpert · 14/11/2025 08:21

Everything is shouting, everything is flashing. Modern world is occasionally very much an attack on most senses
This over and over. We are harassed almost 24/24 by noise at decibel levels that especially small brains can cope with.

The constant shouting, screeching, loud music...which leads to the vicious circle of upping it up compared to others. Adults have grown used to it and so do kids....except that inside, their brains are shouting that they can't cope.

sunshinestar1986 · 14/11/2025 08:21

SpinningTops · 14/11/2025 06:54

My son is 7 and on the long waiting list for an autism assessment.

Sometimes I wonder whether he would cope absolutely fine if he was an 80s or 90s child. Maybe it’s rose tinted glasses but modern life seems so chaotic and jam packed, so much to learn at school etc.

He’s in a small class at school and seeing the number of children struggling, so many with ‘special jobs’ to just get them into the classroom, makes me think something is wrong with the system rather than all these children being neurodiverse. And this is an absolutely wonderful school which outwardly he says he loves.

It’s just something I’ve been thinking more and more about recently …

I think the modern world definitely affects children so much more.
My son is nearly 3 and has some delays, perhaps autistic I don't know yet, he has been recently referred.
But when my son watches tv he stims, runs around in circles and he cannot focus at all.
When he's screen free you think he's 💯 normal development to such an extent that his nursery manager was confused as to whether to refer him.
He was screen free all summer, and when he went back, she said he's completely different, social, engaged, started talking,
And I allowed the tv to back in, and she then said a few weeks later, I might as well refer just in case, and for the last few weeks hes been screen free again
And she keeps saying how focused and social he is again.
I hear in America they are looking into virtual autism but I haven't heard much talk in the UK about that.
I'm inclined to think that children with autism are just affected way more by screens and yet somehow they are the ones who seem to use screens the most!

Maray1967 · 14/11/2025 08:20

In my capacity as an HE first year course lead I’ve advised many a student who is struggling to get off as much online stuff as possible. Walk in the park and read a book. Quieten all this ‘noise’ of modern life.

OP, do as much as you can to quieten his life. But I don’t think you’re wrong .

Twistedfirestarters · 14/11/2025 08:19

I wonder, with your updates, if it's that there is more about modern life that 'triggers' people with autism rather than people having a normal reaction to sensory bombardment.
You're right about the magazines, we didn't have that in my day. There was less to 'nag' our parents for.
With my own kids though I could tell them no and once they got to school age it was no big deal. Not because I'm some amazing parent but because they were/are neurotypical. I would suggest if this causes absolute scenes with a 7 year old there may well be more at play than a neuro typical child wanting something they can't have.

Jamietea · 14/11/2025 08:19

I think unless a person has severe autism they could have probably got by in life reasonably well in the past. But not now, everything is so chaotic and complicated with demands in every aspect of life. Even schools now are so rigid with so many rules, specific ways of doing things, a rushed busy curriculum, jam packed calendar of events and trips, so many passwords and log ins to remember for online learning. Even I as a NT adult find it overwhelming.

Maray1967 · 14/11/2025 08:17

Coffeeandbooks88 · 14/11/2025 06:59

Is this a subtle "too many kids are being diagnosed as autistic" thread?

Why do you write that? I’m in my late 50s and as far as I’m concerned what my DS17 is expected to do/get through is way more than what I experienced in the 80s. I’m not talking about parental expectations, but societal and school expectations.

He is bombarded with emails from school, unis, his sport organisation. I just turned up to activities. We had paper letters to take home which were far easier to deal with than scrolling around trying to find emails. The whole thing is just more, more, more.

Medexpert · 14/11/2025 08:17

It's an inate brain difference
It's both, but I believe the expansive increase in the last few years is due to the other factor whilst the numbers that are caused by chemical imbalances remain stable.

Fearfulsaints · 14/11/2025 08:17

I think we were happier just to let children fail at school and just describe them as bad, fidgety, away with the fairies, slow etc and then they'd head off to work younger not having learned much.

I think there is something about 'screens" but not tv, specifically doom scrolling tiktok/YouTube and certain games that are carefully designed to attention grab, combined with lack of sleep which could mimic adhd and cause anxiety..

Needspaceforlego · 14/11/2025 08:17

Op I agree with you there is something overwhelming about schools. I think I'm NT but I am dyslexic

I think its the classrooms are smaller. Less space between groups. The bright chairs not boring gray. It just seems busier.

Same with shops. I hate Asda and M&S food shops. I avoid when possible. I don't mind Tesco or Sainsburys.
I think its asiles are narrow and too busy. Bit like schools, just too busy.

SeriousTissues · 14/11/2025 08:17

Mine was diagnosed in secondary. I’m absolutely not convinced. Traits, yes. But full diagnosis, nope. And I think they’d not have had any bother when schools weren’t so autocratic.

Nofireplace · 14/11/2025 08:16

Pricelessadvice · 14/11/2025 07:15

I stand by the fact that screens have caused a lot of what we know as ADHD. I think the instant gratification does something to the chemicals in the brain and then the person is constantly seeking that same dopamine hit quickly in other aspects of life. If they don’t get that same hit quickly, they get restless and need to move onto something else. It becomes disabling to them as they constantly seek that same hit.
An amazing number of ADHD people (children and adults) can stay focused on screens far longer than on other things. That’s not a coincidence.

Imho it's the mildly ADHD who got caught on screens extremely (bit wuirky, bit disruptive, still ok most of the time id that makes sense, like me). NT people have issues, so if you are even step off, it becomes a problem.
I waa diagnosed with ADHD in 90s as a kid. After a lot of work with my parents and doctors (no meds) I was basically better functioning than "normal" people.
Screens and instant gratification are a problem as you say. My concentration is so much worse.

Plus, the world is so noisy and distracting now. Studies do support that the world got noisier. Everything is shouting, everything is flashing. Modern world is occasionally very much an attack on most senses. I watched some kid's series with nieces and nephews. Why is everyone in it shouting? Ours were mute or normal volume talking. Actually calming. It starts early.

Staringintothevoid616 · 14/11/2025 08:16

As someone who is ND (diagnosed ADHD but I suspect AuADHD - not been diagnosed) modern life is way way more difficult to cope with. It has a rigidity and pace that’s impossible to cope with. At school (80s/early 90s) I was possibly just a little quirky. Now I’d definitely be diagnosed and probably have all sorts of special measures to cope with things.

There’s nothing wrong with ND, it just doesn’t fit well into modern life I think most of the symptoms are the stress of this

SpinningTops · 14/11/2025 08:14

MumoftwoNC · 14/11/2025 07:37

The modern classroom is dominated by the "smart" whiteboard and powerpoints (ugh). The screen is cluttered with needless headers and footers and other spurious information, and sometimes even needless animations and sound effects. For anyone who would otherwise have "mild" sensory irritation, it's relentlessly jarring. In the old days there was an occasional image shown on the overhead projector and otherwise just the teacher talking and handing out books and paper.

I'm a teacher so I have control over my own classroom and rarely turn the projector on, and if I do, it's usually to project a single image or (very rarely) a short video clip. Not relentless interminable screen time.

I think this is touching on what I mean. It’s difficult to put your finger on what’s so much more overstimulating but this is a great example.

So with this, my son notices every detail, so he will be looking at the header, maybe counting to 60 to see whether he can time himself accurately to the minute changing on the clock and just generally being distracted.

Interestingly he tells me he rushes through his school work so he’s allowed to sit quietly reading whilst others continue.

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Medexpert · 14/11/2025 08:13

I don't think the increase in adhd is a surprise when children, at an ever growing younger age, are increasingly more exposed to mental and physical stimuli. They little minds are constantly stimulated with external triggers. They already have to concentrate on so much to just learn the normal childhood stages, but it's no enough.

Children nowadays don't know what silence is. They don't know what boredom is (ie. a time to be left with your thoughts and develop creative skills). Parents encourage a constant buzzing environment and even feel guilty when they don't.

Kids grow to be overwhelmed, fight against it and bingo, they have adhd. And whilst interventions are put in place to try to manage the 'crisis' times, the kids continue to be overstimulated, sadly often even more as they are yet thrown into a world of even more interventions.

Kids need calm timrs to recuperate and grow healthily.

Medexpert · 14/11/2025 08:12

I don't think the increase in adhd is a surprise when children, at an ever growing younger age, are increasingly more exposed to mental and physical stimuli. They little minds are constantly stimulated with external triggers. They already have to concentrate on so much to just learn the normal childhood stages, but it's no enough.

Children nowadays don't know what silence is. They don't know what boredom is (ie. a time to be left with your thoughts and develop creative skills). Parents encourage a constant buzzing environment and even feel guilty when they don't.

Kids grow to be overwhelmed, fight against it and bingo, they have adhd. And whilst interventions are put in place to try to manage the 'crisis' times, the kids continue to be overstimulated, sadly often even more as they are yet thrown into a world of even more interventions.

Kids need calm timrs to recuperate and grow healthily.

Gratedcamembert · 14/11/2025 08:12

ObelixtheGaul · 14/11/2025 08:00

Yep. As a child with undiagnosed dyscalculia (it wasn't recognised as even existing then) though I had to live with the shame of being 'thick' at maths, I will say it mattered less in the great scheme of things.

In some ways, of course, it was wrong that I was just written off. My maths teacher was a kindly soul, but he had no tools to help me, and when my mother asked if I could have extra tuition, he simply said, 'there is no point. She won't pass'.

Terrible as that probably sounds now, it wasn't the end of the world at the time. Whilst we now understand that it wasn't that children like me were just a bit thick, the upside of that is that, back then, being 'just a bit thick' wasn't the huge barrier it is now.

Completely. It’s obviously better that kids aren’t just written off as being thick now. However it is a shame that there is this pressure for everyone to be able to achieve.

reluctantbrit · 14/11/2025 08:12

ForFunnyOliveEagle · 14/11/2025 08:06

Autism is based on the child displaying odd behaviour (stimming, etc..) and developmental delays. Is your son displaying different behaviours and struggling?

That is a very stereotypical way to describe Autism. My DD can mask for the best, you wouldn't know she has it.

Absolutely no developmental delays unless you count the inability to read social cues.
She stimms mainly at home because this is where she feels safe.

MumofCandRA · 14/11/2025 08:11

They absolutely are being over diagnosed. This will be the shame of the decade, in years to come. We're not helping our young or society by over diagnosing.

BerryTwister · 14/11/2025 08:10

Pricelessadvice · 14/11/2025 07:15

I stand by the fact that screens have caused a lot of what we know as ADHD. I think the instant gratification does something to the chemicals in the brain and then the person is constantly seeking that same dopamine hit quickly in other aspects of life. If they don’t get that same hit quickly, they get restless and need to move onto something else. It becomes disabling to them as they constantly seek that same hit.
An amazing number of ADHD people (children and adults) can stay focused on screens far longer than on other things. That’s not a coincidence.

I agree.
Of course there are many kids/adults who have ADHD regardless of screens, but I think there is a significant proportion of kids whose ability to concentrate and focus has been destroyed by screen exposure.

I can even see it in myself. I’ve taken to watching YouTube Shorts, and now I definitely find it harder to sit and watch a whole TV programme, because my brain is expecting a new film every couple of minutes. I’m a 58 year old professional, so of course I know this is easily reversible for me, but I don’t think the same could be said for developing young brains. Children who spend their days watching TikToks are going to find it hard to suddenly sit in a class focussing quietly on maths.

SlothMama14 · 14/11/2025 08:10

Chiseltip · 14/11/2025 07:56

I think we don't know what school is for anymore. Back in the 80s it was normal for people to leave school at 16 and start working. Millions of boys started their trade apprenticeships back then.

Now, we have a collective FOMO, a national obsession with "a good" education. But beyond that, what actually is the point of school?

Once you can read, write and count, what are you actually learning in school?

I think we've been confusing activity with achievement.

There are millions of Uni students who right now are studying for largely irrelevant, useless Degrees. Education has become like a religion, and the non-believers are hounded and burnt at the proverbial stake.

We have this very odd criteria for demonstrating intellectual ability. Most people seem to believe that attending school or University makes a person intelligent. It doesn't. Intelligent people do well in school because they ARE intelligent, a GCSE doesn't impose some sort of magical intellect upon them.

Objectively, school is a toxic environment for learning anything. If it didn't exist, and we were to design it from scratch, it wouldn't look anything like the current system. We put fucking labels on kids, ADHD, ABCDEFG, because they won't behave like we think they should when we put them in a classroom . . . which is like having a pet goldfish, but keeping it in a dog kennel and then wondering why it died.

Actually, this post sums it up far better than I did! Powerful stuff - and absolutely true.