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AIBU to feel hurt and pushed aside by DIL?

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confusedgranny · 13/11/2025 13:25

I’m genuinely not sure anymore whether I’m being reasonable or “one of THOSE MILs”.

My DIL is pregnant with their 2nd child. Her first birth was very traumatic, and I’ve honestly tried to be sensitive and supportive this time. Despite this I appear to have got it wrong. One small example: I recently found out (through my other child) that during the first birth, DIL didn’t want me updated when labour started and would have preferred to tell me only once the baby had arrived (I didn’t message or try to contact her once during the labour). She also found it offensive when I asked my son how HE was following the traumatic birth. I genuinely thought he might need checking on too, given how shaken he said he felt, but it seems that was taken as ignoring her experience. This time they have a planned C section “for late November”, they know a date but didn’t specify so I didn’t ask. (Should I? Don’t want to be called intrusive).

There’s also the issue of how often they see DIL’s parents. My son can work from home, so they go to her mum and dad’s for days at a time. Meanwhile I get one day visit per month. I travel to them, and I don’t stay overnight because it’s never been offered or suggested. I’ve tried not to take it personally and have never said anything, but it’s hard not to notice the difference.

And when it comes to childcare, it feels even more lopsided. My granddaughter is often left with their nanny or with DIL’s mum but never with me. I’ve been told by DIL because with a nanny “it feels easier” in that it’s a paid service — you pay the nanny and no one owes each other anything at the end. I can understand the logic, but it’s painful to feel that a hired professional is seen as less complicated and more trustworthy than the child’s own grandmother.

And I know (again, through my other child) that DIL is uncomfortable with my son ever taking GD to stay with me overnight because she’s never been away from the child overnight and “it would upset both her and the child.” So I’m left feeling like I’m some sort of risk or stranger, even though I’m her grandmother. My son isn’t allowed to go without her (or he risks upsetting his wife which understandably he doesn’t want to do, esp I ally pregnant) and she doesn’t want to come. They’ve been here 3 times total.

Communication is becoming another minefield. I want to keep the group chat warm and friendly, but I’m increasingly aware that asking for a photo of GD or sending a picture of my garden or something I’m doing seems to irritate her. If I message, I feel annoying; if I don’t, I feel distant. I can’t seem to get it right.

And is there anything I can do to rebuild things when I seem to get everything wrong no matter how careful I try to be?

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honeybeetheoneandonly · 13/11/2025 15:01

puppymaddness · 13/11/2025 14:54

You think men have the right to announce a woman's pregnancy and miscarriage without her permission?
Wow.

Ehm, that's very manipulative phrasing.
You could also phrase it like: Do you think a father has the right to discuss the death of his child with his family?

PracticalPixie · 13/11/2025 15:00

Totally fine to ask your son how he was after the birth, but anyone with any decency would have asked after dil first, which you did.

But, sometimes it just works out that one set of grandparents sees more of grandchildren than the other. In my family, it is my dh's parents who see more of our kids as my mum is dead and my dad is both useless with childcare and living overseas. It is what it is really. It doesn't mean you have done anything wrong per se

Franpie · 13/11/2025 14:57

How was your relationship with your DIL before she had children?

In my case I had a very rocky relationship with my MIL pre-children. It pissed me off no end that all of a sudden she wanted a relationship with me once I bread her grandchildren.

MoodyMargaret11 · 13/11/2025 14:56

confusedgranny · 13/11/2025 13:53

@MrsTerryPratchett it went like this: my son messaged me, on our WhatsApp chat (not group chat) to say she’s in labour. I replied briefly “how exciting, good luck, hope it goes well”. He then called me almost in tears much later that day to say that it’s done, I am a granny but there were complications and it was incredibly hard to watch his wife in so much pain and have to hear that things were not going smoothly (he was driving home, to collect something or drop off if I remember correctly, she was at the hospital). I didn’t message her directly because I imagine the last thing she needed was me starting a chat with questions after what she’s been through, I just said congratulations, so glad she’s here safely, hope you girls are both doing well and let me know if I can drop off a meal on your doorstep once you get home. The next day I messaged to ask how she’s feeling and she said “all good”, I messaged my son privately on our WhatsApp to ask how he’s doing. I kept most of the communication through him because I imagine that’s the polite thing to do, not to keep bothering a new mum with messages?

Wow
I would have loved to have a mother like you, let alone a MIL!
You are kind, thoughtful, sensitive about her wishes, respecting boundaries and most importantly - clearly care about them all a lot. It's really sad to read how she's keeping you away from a grandchild you love and who I'm sure adores you too x

honeybeetheoneandonly · 13/11/2025 14:55

I'm trying to understand how you think you could be baby sitting when you live 1:30h away? That's a 3h round trip. Of course they will pay a local nanny if and when needed. They could visit more but you said you and her parents live about the same distance away, so it's not like they could just pop in for a cuppa to either of you or vice versa. I think that makes it very tricky. One visit a month doesn't seem like a lot but I think it's fine for now.

puppymaddness · 13/11/2025 14:54

DappledThings · 13/11/2025 14:52

I couldn't disagree with you more puppymaddness either! We will have to agree to disagree.
Would you say her DH had the right to announce her pregnancy if he felt like it? I hope not.
Yes, absolutely. And if she were to have a miscarriage. I have no idea when or how DH told his parents I'd had a miscarriage or that I was pregnant. Not my business to police his news, and it was hugely his news too, and how he wants to discuss it with his family.
what about to force her to have or refuse an abortion?
Irrelevant. Talking isn't the same as forcing any action. If DH had thought he wanted me to have an abortion and wanted to talk to his friends or family about how he was feeling then fine. That's not the same as trying to police action.

You think men have the right to announce a woman's pregnancy and miscarriage without her permission?
Wow.

Absolutelydonewithit · 13/11/2025 14:54

I guess you have two choices really op.

Remain offended, decide to follow the narrative that DIL is to blame and your poor son has decided to take the easy life and go along with her

or.. draw a line over all the past and start anew today. Don’t demand anything. Try and see things from her point of view, remain sensitive to her wishes, be unoffended about everything and place her, in your mind, as the one person who you need to find respect for wholeheartedly.

I think you will lose terribly if you don’t take the second option and some would say you shouldn’t need to do it at all. But I think it would be worth it, as you are very unhappy with things currently.

mediummumma · 13/11/2025 14:53

It sounds like you are that type of MIL, always excusing and minimising your DS’s responsibilities and focusing on the DIL.

Unfortunately you’ve either raised a weak, easily-swayed man or perhaps he cares little about his extended family so doesn’t make the effort to include you.

This is similar to my BIL; my MIL blames his evil wife too for preventing him coming to family occasions and maintaining the relationships etc, when it’s absolutely clear that he simply can’t be arsed to do so. Your son is the problem so better refocus on him if you want things to change.

DappledThings · 13/11/2025 14:52

I couldn't disagree with you more puppymaddness either! We will have to agree to disagree.
Would you say her DH had the right to announce her pregnancy if he felt like it? I hope not.
Yes, absolutely. And if she were to have a miscarriage. I have no idea when or how DH told his parents I'd had a miscarriage or that I was pregnant. Not my business to police his news, and it was hugely his news too, and how he wants to discuss it with his family.
what about to force her to have or refuse an abortion?
Irrelevant. Talking isn't the same as forcing any action. If DH had thought he wanted me to have an abortion and wanted to talk to his friends or family about how he was feeling then fine. That's not the same as trying to police action.

CatrionaBalfour · 13/11/2025 14:51

saraclara · 13/11/2025 14:50

I wish someone had asked my husband how he was doing after he witnessed the chaos and fear in the labour room when it was thought that our baby was going to die in utero and I was rushed into theatre.

It was a year later when I overheard him talking with his BIL about how helpless he'd felt, that I realised just how traumatic it was for him, as well as for me.

While mothers might need to be prioritised, it doesn't mean that fathers don't matter at all. And if their mothers can't ask how they are, that's just ridiculous.

Yes, this, absolutely.
I just don't understand why that would be problematic?

BestZebbie · 13/11/2025 14:51

Wrt pictures, I would be willing to bet that your DS rarely takes any photos of the baby (especially if he has gone back to work) and so even if you ask him to send pictures he will just forward that request straight onto DIL to send new photos that she has taken, which then feels demanding.

We had frequent photo requests from multiple relatives and of course they weren't co-ordinated with each other so it all felt like a constant add-on to my to-do list (making new content, tracking who had had what, sending etc), so we set up a private Facebook page and updated that frequently but at my convenience (whenever there were good photos!) so everyone could get their fix from there. Do you have anything like that?

ThatChristmasMug · 13/11/2025 14:50

Satisfiedwithanapple · 13/11/2025 14:48

To be fair maybe it’s changed. My labours were before WhatsApp was invented 😂

fair enough, I wouldn't have specifically called anyone either 😂

saraclara · 13/11/2025 14:50

Octavia64 · 13/11/2025 13:35

i think you just need to calm down.

you aren’t top grandma. Mum’s mum usually is.

I had a traumatic birth and I’d have been pretty pissed at you asking my dh how he was when I nearly died.

at the end of the day, follow her cues. Don’t push too hard but be available.

I wish someone had asked my husband how he was doing after he witnessed the chaos and fear in the labour room when it was thought that our baby was going to die in utero and I was rushed into theatre.

It was a year later when I overheard him talking with his BIL about how helpless he'd felt, that I realised just how traumatic it was for him, as well as for me.

While mothers might need to be prioritised, it doesn't mean that fathers don't matter at all. And if their mothers can't ask how they are, that's just ridiculous.

Satisfiedwithanapple · 13/11/2025 14:48

ThatChristmasMug · 13/11/2025 14:47

Not really, I am on constant whatsapp communications with some very close friends and my sisters - my parents never remember to check the whatsapp groups until we call them 😂

There's no beginning or end to the conversation, we are just in touch. If I go to hospital, I'll tell them, why wouldn't I? They wouldn't have had a live show of the actual birth

To be fair maybe it’s changed. My labours were before WhatsApp was invented 😂

Differentforgirls · 13/11/2025 14:48

hideawayforever · 13/11/2025 13:47

she sounds extremely controlling and a bitch to be honest.

It sounds like you can't do right for doing wrong.
she's basically trying to phase you out of their lives, then she can complain about how you never bother.
Your son should stand up to her,. can you have a word with him?
And this is coming from someone who really disliked my MIL.

A BITCH! So much for the sisterhood.

Dollymylove · 13/11/2025 14:48

She sounds like a massive drama queen to be honest. Your son isnt allowed to come and see you without her?. Did I read that correctly?
That is controlling behaviour.
Your poor son

CluelessInLondon · 13/11/2025 14:47

Laiste · 13/11/2025 14:21

I think digging into the minutiae of the wording of what's app messages ect is a massive sign that the big picture is being ignored or not seen at all.

From what you've said OP the first thing that jumps out is that your son just isn't doing any of the work to keep a relationship going.

The fact that you can come up with umpteen excuses for him (with DIL at the root of it) is not a good sign of how you view the whole situation.

It's such a tired old story. Man leaves home and gets married. Man can't be arsed to keep up a decent relationship with his parents. Man's mother blames the wife. Man must be downtrodden/under control/scared to rock the boat/ ect ect ect.

No. I'm afraid in my experience (twice) and in friends of mine experiences, and in a thousand on here it's a very simple case of: wife just gets on with living her life and interacting with her parents. She does lions share of day to day baby care so kid is usually with her, he can't be arsed to do much wrt keeping his mother in the loop to make up for it. MIL is left scrambling for reasons which DONT involve her son being a typical bloke.

Edited

Absolutely all of this! It's also really noticeable that the OP isn't responding to any posts that ask why her son isn't stepping up and doing more to keep her informed of how the family is, send photos etc. because they don't fit the "DIL is horrible" narrative.

Of course DIL is closer to her own parents than she is to you - they're her parents. If your son wants you to visit more often, or wants to go and visit you, there's presumably nothing stopping him having that conversation with his wife? You're making lovely excuses for him like he's "avoiding conflict" - what I'm reading between the lines is that he hasn't even attempted to facilitate more of a relationship with your grandchild, so you've decided to blame your DIL for that.

Also, tell your "other child" to wind their neck in and stop gossiping about another member of the family, it's a really ugly behaviour.

NomoneyNoprospects · 13/11/2025 14:47

I'm sorry OP but whilst DC are that young it is ALWAYS just 100% easier to leave them with a nanny or send them to nursery. My DD has 4 adoring grandparents but when they look after her alone it is such hard work for me in advance, DH and I have stopped saying yes altogether.

Scenario 1 is you drop DC at nursery, say bye.

Scenario 2 is you have to pack bags and lunch and drive DC to grandparents house if you're lucky enough they've invited DC to theirs. We were not and our parents always asked to care for DC at our house which was a bloody nightmare. I had to write down her routine, ideas for activities, pack going out bags and snacks, sort out meals for both of them for the day, one grandparent phoned me once panicking because they couldn't get DC to get into the buggy. DH works from home and he couldn't go downstairs at all during the day because DC would cling to him and get upset. Unless you're offering to do childcare regularly then the child likely doesn't know you well enough to be left alone with you without getting upset.

Why can't DH bring the older one to you for a day or weekend and leave DIL at home?

ThatChristmasMug · 13/11/2025 14:47

Satisfiedwithanapple · 13/11/2025 14:45

But quite literally no one expected to be told. It’s bizarre announcing you are in labour to people imo.

Not really, I am on constant whatsapp communications with some very close friends and my sisters - my parents never remember to check the whatsapp groups until we call them 😂

There's no beginning or end to the conversation, we are just in touch. If I go to hospital, I'll tell them, why wouldn't I? They wouldn't have had a live show of the actual birth

EatMoreChocolate44 · 13/11/2025 14:46

I think it's weird that they haven't told you when her C-section is. I had a traumatic first birth and my husband updated his mum, my mum etc throughout labour as they were understandably worried. My husband had a tough time going through this too and I wouldn't have an issue with his mum checking on him too, she's his mum! I had an elective C-section with my second and I told my mil, mum, family members etc the date. I've no idea why that would be a secret unless they have some superstitious anxiety where they want to wait until the baby has arrived safely before saying anything. Your son does need to step up though. He could be better at staying in contact and visiting you.

CatrionaBalfour · 13/11/2025 14:46

I'm going against the grain here to say, you've done nothing wrong and the DIL sounds very unpleasant. You are her child's grandmother, I've no idea why she's like this.
I can't see what is wrong with any of the messages you've sent, or asking if your son is ok. I can't understand why people get precious about who knows they're in labour or not, what does it matter?
What was your relationship like before the first baby?

puppymaddness · 13/11/2025 14:45

DappledThings · 13/11/2025 14:39

Rubbish. It's the husband's business too and if he wants to take 10 seconds out of supporting his wife to update his mum that's entirely reasonable. Same as the husband's experience of seeing his wife having a terrible time would have been difficult for him too and it's completely reasonable for his own mum to have asked him how he was as well as her DIL.

I couldn't disagree with you more. As long as that baby is in that woman's body it's her goddam (personal, medical) business and that's it.

Would you say her DH had the right to announce her pregnancy if he felt like it? I hope not.

what about to force her to have, or to refuse her an abortion?

Women are not birthing objects that everyone gets a beneficial interest in.

Labour/ birth is intensely intimate and can be very traumatic (as it sounds like this DIL's was). the last thing any woman needs is the pressure of anxious extended family members eagerly awaiting a happy baby announcement and wondering what's taking so long.

ThatChristmasMug · 13/11/2025 14:45

puppymaddness · 13/11/2025 14:37

Because it's nobody's business apart from her own!!

Quite. My friends and sisters, and possibly the neighbours knew when I went in labour, none of my in-laws business!

They can't pick and chose, if you are not close, you don't suddenly become their property because you have a child.

Satisfiedwithanapple · 13/11/2025 14:45

lazyarse123 · 13/11/2025 14:37

See this is where it's fucked up. It was all a secret but then when you needed them you were happy to tell them.

But quite literally no one expected to be told. It’s bizarre announcing you are in labour to people imo.

LadyDanburysHat · 13/11/2025 14:45

gamerchick · 13/11/2025 14:42

It doesn't seem like that at all. I take it you push your MIL out then?

I'm sorry OP I don't really know what much you can do other than keep the lines of communication open with your son and just let them get on with it. It's him that has to make the changes.

I don't push my MIL out, but she also isn't desperately needy. I do agree with others that the DIL is standoffish, but perhaps it is partly the way the OP acts around her.