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AIBU to feel hurt and pushed aside by DIL?

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confusedgranny · 13/11/2025 13:25

I’m genuinely not sure anymore whether I’m being reasonable or “one of THOSE MILs”.

My DIL is pregnant with their 2nd child. Her first birth was very traumatic, and I’ve honestly tried to be sensitive and supportive this time. Despite this I appear to have got it wrong. One small example: I recently found out (through my other child) that during the first birth, DIL didn’t want me updated when labour started and would have preferred to tell me only once the baby had arrived (I didn’t message or try to contact her once during the labour). She also found it offensive when I asked my son how HE was following the traumatic birth. I genuinely thought he might need checking on too, given how shaken he said he felt, but it seems that was taken as ignoring her experience. This time they have a planned C section “for late November”, they know a date but didn’t specify so I didn’t ask. (Should I? Don’t want to be called intrusive).

There’s also the issue of how often they see DIL’s parents. My son can work from home, so they go to her mum and dad’s for days at a time. Meanwhile I get one day visit per month. I travel to them, and I don’t stay overnight because it’s never been offered or suggested. I’ve tried not to take it personally and have never said anything, but it’s hard not to notice the difference.

And when it comes to childcare, it feels even more lopsided. My granddaughter is often left with their nanny or with DIL’s mum but never with me. I’ve been told by DIL because with a nanny “it feels easier” in that it’s a paid service — you pay the nanny and no one owes each other anything at the end. I can understand the logic, but it’s painful to feel that a hired professional is seen as less complicated and more trustworthy than the child’s own grandmother.

And I know (again, through my other child) that DIL is uncomfortable with my son ever taking GD to stay with me overnight because she’s never been away from the child overnight and “it would upset both her and the child.” So I’m left feeling like I’m some sort of risk or stranger, even though I’m her grandmother. My son isn’t allowed to go without her (or he risks upsetting his wife which understandably he doesn’t want to do, esp I ally pregnant) and she doesn’t want to come. They’ve been here 3 times total.

Communication is becoming another minefield. I want to keep the group chat warm and friendly, but I’m increasingly aware that asking for a photo of GD or sending a picture of my garden or something I’m doing seems to irritate her. If I message, I feel annoying; if I don’t, I feel distant. I can’t seem to get it right.

And is there anything I can do to rebuild things when I seem to get everything wrong no matter how careful I try to be?

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NearlyDec · 13/11/2025 14:45

What was your relationship like with DIL pre grandchildren? I wouldn’t expect you to see them more now they have a baby, I would the same or possibly less.

On the point of the nanny. They obviously think the nanny is trustworthy otherwise they wouldn’t enploy her to look after their child. The nanny will also have an established relationship for the child so they are the best person to care for them.

ThatChristmasMug · 13/11/2025 14:43

How was your relationship BEFORE the pregnancy and before the birth? that would be the start.

It's normal and reasonable for her to be close to her mum, and trying to make it a competition -even in your own private thoughts - is only going to hurt you.

But how were you before? Were you friendly and close, and she suddenly stopped all contact when she gave birth?

Or, most likely, you expected something to change after the baby?

gamerchick · 13/11/2025 14:42

LadyDanburysHat · 13/11/2025 13:29

Honestly your relationship with them is fine, you just seem jealous that you are not top Grandma.

As for not updating when in labour, that is perfectly reasonable and no reason why you should feel put out that she wanted that.

It doesn't seem like that at all. I take it you push your MIL out then?

I'm sorry OP I don't really know what much you can do other than keep the lines of communication open with your son and just let them get on with it. It's him that has to make the changes.

DappledThings · 13/11/2025 14:39

puppymaddness · 13/11/2025 14:37

Because it's nobody's business apart from her own!!

Rubbish. It's the husband's business too and if he wants to take 10 seconds out of supporting his wife to update his mum that's entirely reasonable. Same as the husband's experience of seeing his wife having a terrible time would have been difficult for him too and it's completely reasonable for his own mum to have asked him how he was as well as her DIL.

waterrat · 13/11/2025 14:39

It's obvious you want to do the right thing OP but can I suggest something

how about you just let all this past stuff go? Why are you dwelling on what she said/ how you upset her with the last birth? It isn't worth thinking about - women post birth can be traumatised, over sensitive etc to things that in calmer times they might not mind.

I think it would be more respectful to her if you just let this stuff go! Accept its how she feels and dont give it any more thought. None of it is aat all a big deal

I didn't want people knowing I was in labour - it really is irrelevant if you think it was okay for him to text, she didn't, just accept it.

Please stop saying your son is conflict avoidant - its basically saying he is hen pecked. he is making choices! and his choice is not to involve you as much as the inlaws - take it as his choice. And work on things with that in mind.

Now -looking forward

with visits - can you be honest about this? I actually think a day a month visit is perrfectly sufficient for a young child

At a good moment can't you just be completely honest with both of them and say you would love to help out more?

I think you are giving far too much thought to too many small details - and i think regarding time with the children, try to hav ea longer view - you can more easily offer to help when they are a bit older.

Laiste · 13/11/2025 14:39

Son should 'stand up to' his wife and say what ???

''Why aren't you sending pictures of our child more often?''
''Why aren't you inviting my mother round more often?''
''Why aren't you taking our DC to see her more often?''

Why isn't he doing these things himself?

Im damn sure DIL doesn't expect him to whatsapping her mother !

Overthemhills · 13/11/2025 14:37

What was your relationship with DIL and son before any pregnancy? Ie before the traumatic birth etc

puppymaddness · 13/11/2025 14:37

DappledThings · 13/11/2025 14:31

A quick text saying things have started is hardly distracting the man from the birth. And it's so vague that it's really not an invasion of privacy. I can't understand what's wrong with it either.

Because it's nobody's business apart from her own!!

lazyarse123 · 13/11/2025 14:37

Satisfiedwithanapple · 13/11/2025 14:33

I never told anyone when I went into labour. I told my parents the second time but that was because they were more local and were first line childcare.

See this is where it's fucked up. It was all a secret but then when you needed them you were happy to tell them.

AliceMaforethought · 13/11/2025 14:36

NannyOggsScones · 13/11/2025 14:32

I don’t think you’ve done anything awful OP but I do think your issue is with your son not your DIL. I also think your DD is shit stirring and you need to stop discussing this with her. Asking your DS in a private conversation if he is ok is absolutely fine. You need to tell your son you want to see them more and see what he says.

This also. Your daughter needs to wind her neck in. I have to say I feel bad for your DIL, I wouldn't want my MIL breathing down my neck when I was in labour. I also think it is totally reasonable for one set of grandparents to be closer than another, that's just how life works sometimes. It's a bit entitled to be demanding parity.

Absolutelydonewithit · 13/11/2025 14:35

Pinkandpurple225533 · 13/11/2025 14:21

I’m a DIL and I have a great relationship with my MIL. It’s tricky and we have both been very sensitive to the other to get to this point.

what my MIL has done (hoping to provide useful advice).

  • She tells me upfront that she thinks I’m a great mum. I think new motherhood is hard and it never hurts to provide validation. She specifically says this to me outside of conversation including her son/my DH and I appreciate that.
  • She offers to come and stay but she’s very gentle about it. She has offered to stay in a hotel before in the early days to make it easier on us. She has also offered (and followed through) to be helpful when she comes and I find this really great. She comes to stay when we are working and kids are in childcare and she cooks dinner, bakes cakes, does random jobs like cleaning the windows. However what makes this a winner is she asks first and she’s so nice about it with no criticism. There’s no “your windows are dirty” judgement; she just says “I’ve got a bit of time do you mind if I clean the windows”. It may sound silly but the lack of judgement (or perceived judgement) counts for a lot with me
  • she’s willing to learn about my boundaries and be respectful. She cuts grapes because I ask her to. She learn how to use the car seat. This all makes me feel respected and trusted.
  • She sees and appreciates the mental load that falls on women, she knows I do more for the grandchildren than my DH does and she verbalises this and provides empathy, again backing me up.

Essentially when I write that all down, I feel like my MIL shows she is on my side and sees me as an person, and doesn’t just see me as a facilitator for access to her grandchildren.

I think she would agree with me that we have a good relationship, I really respect her and I ask her opinion on lots of things now because she has shown herself to be a kind and engaged grandparent. I do appreciate what you are saying that you feel you haven’t been given the time or capacity to do this. My honest suggestion is to focus on your relationship with DIL not with your grandchild right now. When you visit, asking how she is and offering to make her a cup of tea and have a sit down, that kind of thing goes a long way.

This is wonderful advice. Reading this I realise I naturally do this with my daughter and her kids and so it’s great to see it written point by point from a daughter in laws point of view. This is exactly the type of MIL I wish to be to my son’s partner. I’ll be striving to do this.

AliceMaforethought · 13/11/2025 14:34

YABU. Obviously she will be closer to her own mum. Don't push it or you will see even less of them. Also, I completely get where she is coming from about you asking your son how he was, he wasn't the one who had just given birth.

BruFord · 13/11/2025 14:34

I wonder whether she might become more comfortable with you having your DGD overnight once her baby is born? I’m guessing that your granddaughter is a toddler and it can be a lot coping with a newborn and a toddler!

In your shoes, I’d casually say to your son that he and DGD are welcome to come over anytime -it’s unlikely to happen when they’ve got a newborn, but it might be different in a few months time.

It really is on your son to facilitate your relationship with his children. I sometimes felt abit grumpy about my DH sharing things when our children were young, but then I realize that he has a perfect right to, they’re his children too. Now it doesn’t bother me at all- tbh, I enjoy the break when he takes them off to visit his parents. 😂 I do the same with my Dad, we don’t want to use up all of our A/L visiting family so we often divide and conquer.

Satisfiedwithanapple · 13/11/2025 14:33

DappledThings · 13/11/2025 14:31

A quick text saying things have started is hardly distracting the man from the birth. And it's so vague that it's really not an invasion of privacy. I can't understand what's wrong with it either.

I never told anyone when I went into labour. I told my parents the second time but that was because they were more local and were first line childcare.

NannyOggsScones · 13/11/2025 14:32

I don’t think you’ve done anything awful OP but I do think your issue is with your son not your DIL. I also think your DD is shit stirring and you need to stop discussing this with her. Asking your DS in a private conversation if he is ok is absolutely fine. You need to tell your son you want to see them more and see what he says.

DappledThings · 13/11/2025 14:31

puppymaddness · 13/11/2025 14:29

I do think it's understandable why you are upset about the paid nanny and the imbalance in time with your DGC. However on the below , you are missing a massive sensitivity chip:

I just can’t understand why my son texting me “my wife is in labour, you’ll be a granny soon” was such a big deal

How can you not understand this? Giving birth is a deeply personal, overwhelming and often quite precarious experience. It's not a show for bystanders to be kept updated on.

A quick text saying things have started is hardly distracting the man from the birth. And it's so vague that it's really not an invasion of privacy. I can't understand what's wrong with it either.

Satisfiedwithanapple · 13/11/2025 14:31

Tbh my mother in law irritates me rightly or wrongly. But I don’t think finding someone irritating is a reason to stop grandchildren staying the night etc. I think yanbu OP but I’d forget about DIL and go through your son re the children. My MIL is a wonderful GM 🤷🏻‍♀️

Bumblebeehee · 13/11/2025 14:30

This sounds very similar to my situation. I get on very well with my MIL but when it comes to my health and pregnancies/ labours etc she asks too many invasive questions. Do you ask too many questions? Are you nosey?

Your DIL could be like me, needing her space. Being pregnant is quite a vulnerable time, you are not her mum so you don’t need to know all the ins and outs of it all. I think it’s reasonable for you to find out once the baby is born rather than knowing when she starts labour. Have you considered her pov, she may want less questions less people worrying about her and just have the space to do her own thing.

As for you helping with childminding, maybe it is true she doesn’t want you to it? Like my MIL, I’m happy for her to visit but I wouldn’t trust her childminding, nor does she have the energy levels to run after toddlers and keep up.

lazyarse123 · 13/11/2025 14:30

hideawayforever · 13/11/2025 13:47

she sounds extremely controlling and a bitch to be honest.

It sounds like you can't do right for doing wrong.
she's basically trying to phase you out of their lives, then she can complain about how you never bother.
Your son should stand up to her,. can you have a word with him?
And this is coming from someone who really disliked my MIL.

This says it perfectly.
Apart from i got on with my mil. We visited both sets of parents every other week when ours were little. But that was years ago before life somehow got to busy for families to bother with each other.

puppymaddness · 13/11/2025 14:29

confusedgranny · 13/11/2025 13:44

@SoftLeafRe my son “stepping up” — I think he avoids confrontation entirely. He tends to go with whatever keeps the peace at home, which I do understand. But it means decisions default to what DIL prefers, not necessarily what he wants or what might work for both sides.

@LadyDanburysHatI honestly don’t feel “jealous”, and I’m certainly not trying to be “top Grandma”. I’m not competing with anyone. I just want some relationship with my granddaughter that isn’t limited to one day a month where I pop down, hand over a couple of books, and go home. The huge imbalance in time is what makes it noticeable - they do have the time, I’m just not worth it.
As for the labour, I just can’t understand why my son texting me “my wife is in labour, you’ll be a granny soon” was such a big deal considering I didn’t text her, didn’t disturb or invite myself anywhere.

@BigNovthats the thing, I’m not sure what I’ve done to become so untrustworthy. I’d love to know but don’t want to create drama or be labelled intrusive by asking. And she certainly doesn’t need the drama when heavily pregnant or with a newborn.

@MD2020and10LambertandButlerPleaseAs for the nanny/grandma thing — I didn’t interrogate her. I just offered to babysit at times. Her explanation about the nanny being a paid service was actually very matter-of-fact, not dramatic. I accepted it immediately.
About my other child “stirring up trouble” — it came up because we were talking about general family stuff, the arrival of a new nephew and they mentioned DIL had vented about not liking labour updates the first time. It wasn’t gossiping, just context.
I promise I’m not pretending to be laid back — I am trying to tread carefully. I want to be as honest as possible here because I want advice from kind internet strangers but this isn’t a place where I’d care about people’s opinions and would happily hear if I’m in the wrong and can correct for the sake of my relationship with my GC.

I do think it's understandable why you are upset about the paid nanny and the imbalance in time with your DGC. However on the below , you are missing a massive sensitivity chip:

I just can’t understand why my son texting me “my wife is in labour, you’ll be a granny soon” was such a big deal

How can you not understand this? Giving birth is a deeply personal, overwhelming and often quite precarious experience. It's not a show for bystanders to be kept updated on.

euff · 13/11/2025 14:28

Octavia64 · 13/11/2025 13:35

i think you just need to calm down.

you aren’t top grandma. Mum’s mum usually is.

I had a traumatic birth and I’d have been pretty pissed at you asking my dh how he was when I nearly died.

at the end of the day, follow her cues. Don’t push too hard but be available.

Wow, she can care about both of them. Asking about her son and acknowledging that it might be hard for him to watch his wife go through trauma makes her a good person not a bad one. I was so grateful to my sil coming without being asked and supporting my DH when I was in hospital abroad. Of course he would have managed but it’s great he has people who care about him and made sure to look out for him whilst he was looking out for me.

MaplePumpkin · 13/11/2025 14:25

It's such a tired old story. Man leaves home and gets married. Man can't be arsed to keep up a decent relationship with his parents. Man's mother blames the wife. Man must be downtrodden/under control/scared to rock the boat/ ect ect ect.

@Laiste you have hit the nail on the head with this!

QuickPeachPoet · 13/11/2025 14:24

BauhausOfEliott · 13/11/2025 14:18

Christ, there's some really cunty responses on this thread.

OP, I do understand the thing about letting people know when she's in labour, especially if her first birth experience was so difficult, but it does sound she's a bit shitty with you in many other respects.

It is perfectly normal, kind and nice to ask the father if he is OK after a traumatic situation in which he would have been desperately concerned about his wife and baby.

In the real world, yes. On MN men are not important. If I almost died on an operating table, I would like to hope that my husband might be a bit upset by that. Upset enough to think about it in the aftermath, and not shrug it off.
Watching a stranger knocked off a motorbike and killed would be upsetting. Doesn't take away the fact the biker had it worse! If it involves someone you love, even worse.
OP make sure your will leaves anything you have to give to your grandchildren, so she won't get her mitts on it if you die and it passes to your son.

overwork · 13/11/2025 14:23

Please let the labour bit go. From a DIL POV, at the time of my first birth, I had no issue with my MIL. I would however, have been livid if my partner had been texting his Mum whilst I was in labour. He didn’t tell my Mum either. We got through the awful bits, had a couple of hours with our baby and resting, and then we composed a message and sent it to all grandparents / aunties at the same time. No one knew the due date in advance either. I don’t really care if that upset any of them, it’s my body and I’ll decide who gets to know my medical information.

BoyOhBoyFTM · 13/11/2025 14:23

I have a nanny. As much as my mum tries, she is incomparable to the nanny. There is no negotiation with the nanny, she does what I tell her. In fact, I NEVER have to tell her what to do, she has known my child since he was 5 months old. My son loves her, knows her, she knows what to do.

I recently had to have my mum look after my son for 3 days while I worked and it was a fucking nightmare. My mum is lovely and tries really hard but she doesn't know the routine and he doesn't know her. I barely got any work done.

And I have never been away for a full night from my son in 16 months. You can be offended all you like but I just don't want to.

And taking him to places fucks up his sleep. He ALWAYS wakes every 2 hours if we sleep anywhere other than home. We've had 2 big holidays and one weekend away and they were horrific, the sleep deprivation didn't make it worth it.

As for you not being invited over more, that's on your son. You need to deal with him.