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As Rachel Reeves struggles to balance the books, the Royal Family should forgo a £46 million increase in their funding. AIBU?

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User198174 · 12/11/2025 10:25

Due to an increase in Crown Estate profits, the government is set to increase its grant to the Royal Family from £ 86.3 million to £132.1 million.
As the Royal Family appear to be getting by at present on an £86.3 million grant, AIBU to say that they should share in the pain of the national squeeze on finances?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy5lzq94gqo.amp

King Charles in the foreground of the image looks away to the left of the frame, whilst his younger brother Andrew Mountbatten Windsor is seen behind him, slightly out of focus.

Royal finances: Where does the King get his money? - BBC News

The language of Buckingham Palace's statement is "very brutal", royal historian Kelly Swaby tells the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy5lzq94gqo.amp

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RainbowBagels · 14/11/2025 13:54

Ukisgaslit · 14/11/2025 13:28

What duties do the Windsors do?

Most of their ‘duty’ is a PR fig leaf. The Windsors benefit from being linked to charities not the charities themselves.

William does next to nothing .

Even William has basically said what the Royals do is busy work and he doesn't want to do it! Many people are charity patrons- sportspeople, actors, celebs who do the same thing in their spare time, and dont expect the place to be repainted/ toilet seats taken out etc.
Sara Cox has raised £6m for CIN. Charles paid £5m in tax last year yet people criticise CIN for raising money for things that should be paid for through taxation. Chances are William has paid less, as he's decided not to reveal what he has paid. Even though he is rumoured to be a billionnaire- richer than the King.0

Ihateboris · 14/11/2025 13:29

Ukisgaslit · 14/11/2025 13:28

What duties do the Windsors do?

Most of their ‘duty’ is a PR fig leaf. The Windsors benefit from being linked to charities not the charities themselves.

William does next to nothing .

I've asked this question so many times and never get a response. I wonder why?

Ukisgaslit · 14/11/2025 13:28

What duties do the Windsors do?

Most of their ‘duty’ is a PR fig leaf. The Windsors benefit from being linked to charities not the charities themselves.

William does next to nothing .

User198174 · 14/11/2025 13:20

Gingernessy · 14/11/2025 12:47

I'm only off topic because people replied in the way they did to my first comment.
Undemanding and pleasant duties are only thus if you have a choice.
I was simply pointing out to those who think that the royals are a parasitic drain on taxpayers money that's there's a far bigger parasitic drain on that resource that needs to be dealt with too

A lavish and extravagant royal family is a luxury that a struggling country like the UK cannot afford.

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jumpingthehighjump · 14/11/2025 13:01

They have a choice. They can walk away. Yes it would be a constitutional crisis, but they can.

Gingernessy · 14/11/2025 12:47

User198174 · 14/11/2025 12:14

You’re off-topic. Why do the royal family require so much money to carry out their l”undemanding, pleasant duties?

I'm only off topic because people replied in the way they did to my first comment.
Undemanding and pleasant duties are only thus if you have a choice.
I was simply pointing out to those who think that the royals are a parasitic drain on taxpayers money that's there's a far bigger parasitic drain on that resource that needs to be dealt with too

Ihateboris · 14/11/2025 12:16

User198174 · 14/11/2025 12:14

You’re off-topic. Why do the royal family require so much money to carry out their l”undemanding, pleasant duties?

I'd also like to know the answer to this? Also, if we really MUST have a royal family, why can't they pay for their own privileged lifestyles? After all, they certainly have enough money.

User198174 · 14/11/2025 12:14

Gingernessy · 14/11/2025 12:10

There will always be a small core of people who need help.
Everyone else could either study to get a better paid job or work more hours but most won't.

You’re off-topic. Why do the royal family require so much money to carry out their l”undemanding, pleasant duties?

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Gingernessy · 14/11/2025 12:10

Eskarina1 · 14/11/2025 11:51

I suspect happy to is... inaccurate. People with disabilities or caring responsibilities incompatible with work, people actively searching hard for work without luck...

Also, if we set the moral standard that everyone needs to pursue a job that can keep a family out of poverty... who's working at the supermarket, providing care in nursing homes, being a band 5 nurse in the South, collecting bins, managing hotel receptions, serving food in cafes, staffing nurseries, being a teaching assistant or any of the 1000s of jobs that wouldn't cover a family as a sole or main income.

Back on topic, I think I would respect the Royal Family more if they declined the grant/donated it to specific causes.

There will always be a small core of people who need help.
Everyone else could either study to get a better paid job or work more hours but most won't.

jumpingthehighjump · 14/11/2025 12:01

Ukisgaslit · 14/11/2025 11:27

This is off topic but I wonder if the seeming reluctance of MPs to tackle Windsor greed is linked in any way to maintaining the current FPTP system . The UK isn’t particularly high on the democratic index - that’s partly to do with the medieval remnant that is the monarchy but surely it is partly first past the post too.

BTW , there is groundswell of support for many reforms re the Windsors - and there are longstanding public reps who have worked to expose the injustices imposed on us .
I think the establishment knows that one crack - eg no more swearing allegiance to Charles rather than the people , or insisting on financial transparency re the Windsors - and the whole facade crumbles .

I think you're absolutely right. And anything to do with the Monarchy is a political hot potato and would erode votes quite possibly

MangaKanga · 14/11/2025 11:59

Ihateboris · 14/11/2025 11:55

What now? £300 per day?? For life? Even fraudsters like Michelle Moan? Jesus christ...what with the money grabbing lazy arse royals and this, it's no wonder we're in debt. I despair. Off to my lowly paid job now in order to support these leaches.

They're all going to get a bit of rude shock when the gravy train derails as it will sooner rather than later.

Our country is running on fumes now.

Ihateboris · 14/11/2025 11:55

User198174 · 14/11/2025 11:40

I agree that vested interests are at work. I also believe that many MPs have an eye on their possible ermine robe-wearing futures in the House of Lords, and the £300 per day for life that comes with a seat in the Lords.

I wonder what it would take for the facade to crumble. I do feel that a lot of English people (as opposed to British) have a feudal mentality about the royals, and that’s what allows the system to flourish.

What now? £300 per day?? For life? Even fraudsters like Michelle Moan? Jesus christ...what with the money grabbing lazy arse royals and this, it's no wonder we're in debt. I despair. Off to my lowly paid job now in order to support these leaches.

Eskarina1 · 14/11/2025 11:51

Gingernessy · 14/11/2025 07:21

Because many UC claimants are perfectly capable of working but don't want to.
The rest are happy to work the bare minimum they can to get topped up - why do we have to have conditionality if that's not the case.
The royal family don't get asked if thry fancy a state visit or opening a centre somewhere they're told what they'll be doing and when.
imagine doing that to all benefit claimants - it's be against their human rights!

I suspect happy to is... inaccurate. People with disabilities or caring responsibilities incompatible with work, people actively searching hard for work without luck...

Also, if we set the moral standard that everyone needs to pursue a job that can keep a family out of poverty... who's working at the supermarket, providing care in nursing homes, being a band 5 nurse in the South, collecting bins, managing hotel receptions, serving food in cafes, staffing nurseries, being a teaching assistant or any of the 1000s of jobs that wouldn't cover a family as a sole or main income.

Back on topic, I think I would respect the Royal Family more if they declined the grant/donated it to specific causes.

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User198174 · 14/11/2025 11:40

Ukisgaslit · 14/11/2025 11:27

This is off topic but I wonder if the seeming reluctance of MPs to tackle Windsor greed is linked in any way to maintaining the current FPTP system . The UK isn’t particularly high on the democratic index - that’s partly to do with the medieval remnant that is the monarchy but surely it is partly first past the post too.

BTW , there is groundswell of support for many reforms re the Windsors - and there are longstanding public reps who have worked to expose the injustices imposed on us .
I think the establishment knows that one crack - eg no more swearing allegiance to Charles rather than the people , or insisting on financial transparency re the Windsors - and the whole facade crumbles .

I agree that vested interests are at work. I also believe that many MPs have an eye on their possible ermine robe-wearing futures in the House of Lords, and the £300 per day for life that comes with a seat in the Lords.

I wonder what it would take for the facade to crumble. I do feel that a lot of English people (as opposed to British) have a feudal mentality about the royals, and that’s what allows the system to flourish.

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User198174 · 14/11/2025 11:36

MangaKanga · 14/11/2025 11:30

I would house MPs in something like a Holiday Inn under a bridge near the train station somewhere. The prisons are over-full or else that would be the logical place for most of them.

I would replace the so-called royals with their Mme Tussauds replicas (how long would it take anyone to discover the difference?) and, having recovered what I could of the assets the family have helped themselves to, let them go seek refuge with some of their "royal" counterparts to whom they are related overseas. Hopefully they would have luck with this route and not be abandoned and left to their fate as the Romanovs were by the British Royal family in 1917, when George V refused to offer his cousin and his family asylum lest it stir up anti-royal feeling here!

What a feckless, self-interested lot they are and always have been.

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“I would replace the royals with their Mme Tussauds replicas (how long would it take anyone to discover the difference?)” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great point about the Romanovs too.

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MangaKanga · 14/11/2025 11:30

I would house MPs in something like a Holiday Inn under a bridge near the train station somewhere. The prisons are over-full or else that would be the logical place for most of them.

I would replace the so-called royals with their Mme Tussauds replicas (how long would it take anyone to discover the difference?) and, having recovered what I could of the assets the family have helped themselves to, let them go seek refuge with some of their "royal" counterparts to whom they are related overseas. Hopefully they would have luck with this route and not be abandoned and left to their fate as the Romanovs were by the British Royal family in 1917, when George V refused to offer his cousin and his family asylum lest it stir up anti-royal feeling here!

What a feckless, self-interested lot they are and always have been.

Ukisgaslit · 14/11/2025 11:27

This is off topic but I wonder if the seeming reluctance of MPs to tackle Windsor greed is linked in any way to maintaining the current FPTP system . The UK isn’t particularly high on the democratic index - that’s partly to do with the medieval remnant that is the monarchy but surely it is partly first past the post too.

BTW , there is groundswell of support for many reforms re the Windsors - and there are longstanding public reps who have worked to expose the injustices imposed on us .
I think the establishment knows that one crack - eg no more swearing allegiance to Charles rather than the people , or insisting on financial transparency re the Windsors - and the whole facade crumbles .

User198174 · 14/11/2025 10:26

vellichoria · 14/11/2025 09:13

@User198174 Also, the idea that members of the monarchy will be upstanding and incorruptible if we give them enough money is shown to be hopelessly idealistic by the (piss artist) formerly known as Prince Andrew.

This! A lot of books on political theory argue that corruption exists because politicians don't get paid enough. It's a nice theory but practice suggests that nobody has yet done anything about human greed and often there isn't an amount of money big enough that some people will ever be satisfied with.

The idea that the royals are somehow incorruptible just because they don't need the money or the titles is just as theoretical as an argument that any king is without sin because he is the Head of Church. And are they truly apolitical or is it easier to be apolitical in a system where two main parties from which people elect their government have practically become the right and the left arm of the same body, which is being so heavily lobbied and influenced by transnational corporations and the superwealthy that it may just as well declare it its sole purpose to legislate and regulate in their favour rather than any interests of the people of the country?

As for representing "our interests" abroad... I am sorry but I am not seeing how they are being adequately represented by cutting ribbons, shaking hands and kissing babies on their overseas travels (all by private jets, of course!).

Fantastic comment.

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vellichoria · 14/11/2025 09:13

@User198174 Also, the idea that members of the monarchy will be upstanding and incorruptible if we give them enough money is shown to be hopelessly idealistic by the (piss artist) formerly known as Prince Andrew.

This! A lot of books on political theory argue that corruption exists because politicians don't get paid enough. It's a nice theory but practice suggests that nobody has yet done anything about human greed and often there isn't an amount of money big enough that some people will ever be satisfied with.

The idea that the royals are somehow incorruptible just because they don't need the money or the titles is just as theoretical as an argument that any king is without sin because he is the Head of Church. And are they truly apolitical or is it easier to be apolitical in a system where two main parties from which people elect their government have practically become the right and the left arm of the same body, which is being so heavily lobbied and influenced by transnational corporations and the superwealthy that it may just as well declare it its sole purpose to legislate and regulate in their favour rather than any interests of the people of the country?

As for representing "our interests" abroad... I am sorry but I am not seeing how they are being adequately represented by cutting ribbons, shaking hands and kissing babies on their overseas travels (all by private jets, of course!).

Ihateboris · 14/11/2025 08:50

x2boys · 14/11/2025 08:45

What exactly is it that they do for us ?

I think they're being sarcastic? If not, I'd also like to know exactly what they ALL do for the money they receive...and I mean actual work...not "they attract tourism'.

x2boys · 14/11/2025 08:45

didntlikeanyofthesuggestions · 12/11/2025 13:45

How ungrateful! After all the royal family do for us this is the least the government should be doing. I know Prince Andrew has had some bad publicity recently but let's not punish the others .

What exactly is it that they do for us ?

Gingernessy · 14/11/2025 08:35

Theunamedcat · 14/11/2025 08:15

So what lump of highly profitable properties did benefits claimants turn over to the government and why arnt they living in them?

Benefit claimants do nothing profitable for the country.

User198174 · 14/11/2025 08:35

Gingernessy · 14/11/2025 08:13

I simply compared the two examples of state funded claimants and pointed out that the ones being vilified on here work harder than the other and have no choice but to do so.
If other people pick up on that I have the right to reply whether you agree or not.

Actually, the thread is about whether or not the royals should receive an uplift of £46 million pounds on top of their already lavish funding. You haven’t as yet provided a compelling reason for the huge cash boost they are expected to receive for no discernible change to their duties.

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Ihateboris · 14/11/2025 08:33

jumpingthehighjump · 14/11/2025 08:29

First I've ever heard of the "hardworking" royal family being compared to benefit claimants 🤣😂
Two different issues

Surely a "hard working " Royal is an oxymoron? 😄