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As Rachel Reeves struggles to balance the books, the Royal Family should forgo a £46 million increase in their funding. AIBU?

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User198174 · 12/11/2025 10:25

Due to an increase in Crown Estate profits, the government is set to increase its grant to the Royal Family from £ 86.3 million to £132.1 million.
As the Royal Family appear to be getting by at present on an £86.3 million grant, AIBU to say that they should share in the pain of the national squeeze on finances?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy5lzq94gqo.amp

King Charles in the foreground of the image looks away to the left of the frame, whilst his younger brother Andrew Mountbatten Windsor is seen behind him, slightly out of focus.

Royal finances: Where does the King get his money? - BBC News

The language of Buckingham Palace's statement is "very brutal", royal historian Kelly Swaby tells the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy5lzq94gqo.amp

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KilliMonjaro · 03/12/2025 06:50

AlphaApple · 12/11/2025 10:34

I’d go a step further and disestablish the royal family altogether, nationalise the Crown Estate and their inherited assets. The whole notion of royalty is an anathema.

This. Spend it on education and the nhs instead!

curious79 · 03/12/2025 06:41

AlphaApple · 12/11/2025 10:34

I’d go a step further and disestablish the royal family altogether, nationalise the Crown Estate and their inherited assets. The whole notion of royalty is an anathema.

And then we’ll pay ten times as much for an elected head of state, and their administrative staff etc who will change with each election, the elections themselves will cost in the billions.

you don’t realise how ‘cheap’ our head of state is!!

jumpingthehighjump · 03/12/2025 06:35

This will be interesting. On BBC

David Dimbleby asking what exactly the Monarchy is for. A 3 parter. The first part delves into Charles's influence on Government Policy. How politically impartial are the Royals? Charles still regularly writes letters to the PM and they are top of the pile at the weekly chat.
The second part is finances. (Is the Monarchy a giant Ponzi scheme? No, that isn't the title of the second part, just the Guardian's. It does cover how staggeringly expensive it is for us to have the indulgence of a Monarchy)
The third part is on soft power, and mentions the illegal prorogation of parliament,

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/dec/02/whats-the-monarchy-for-review-david-dimbleby-bbc

Ukisgaslit · 27/11/2025 15:53

Yes , still not a word of apology from the Windsors regarding their charging of public services , being slumlords , not paying their due tax .

The country is sinking and the very least the Windsors could do is forego their handout this year. Instead they are taking a bonus .
Where is this ‘duty’ that is always being trumpeted?

CathyorClaire · 27/11/2025 10:29

WaryCrow · 26/11/2025 14:49

He is bought off and bribed thpugh, with colossal amounts of money. We used to have diplomats who were paid far less. And of course the armed forces personnel, ditto. And the health service personnel… and the emergency services …

Probably worth noting he's not averse to carriers of cash, has had a close adviser embroiled in a cash for honours scandal and previously sacked the same close adviser who was found to be at the centre of an enquiry focused on the fencing of royal gifts.

He's also not averse to double dipping in the public pot on his own behalf but....nothing to see, natch.

WaryCrow · 26/11/2025 14:49

charliehungerford · 13/11/2025 17:59

I’m not fussed about the rest of them but the King, as Head of State, is
a consistent and non political representative for the United Kingdom. He can’t be bought off or bribed, and he isn’t likely to be swayed by promises of titles, riches or political favour. It’s not a perfect system but it works, the Monarch
is able to represent our nation at home and overseas without having allegiance to any political party. I see it as a valuable asset and I’m not sure what better system could replace it while still retaining all of the above.

He is bought off and bribed thpugh, with colossal amounts of money. We used to have diplomats who were paid far less. And of course the armed forces personnel, ditto. And the health service personnel… and the emergency services …

RainbowBagels · 22/11/2025 09:39

lemonraspberry · 20/11/2025 17:46

Just - Church of Scotland barely financially viable & selling off its assets.

The Church of England is hardly thriving.

Ukisgaslit · 20/11/2025 18:09

@lemonraspberry

That’s an odd attitude . So you would be happy with an atheist head of the Church of England ?

I agree that because a Windsor ( for now) must be anointed head of the Church of England, the COE has a profile which does not reflect its dwindling numbers .
Something like 1% of the population of England are active COE members!
That anomaly needs to be addressed too.

lemonraspberry · 20/11/2025 17:46

RainbowBagels · 20/11/2025 17:27

The Church of England is only one of many Protestant churches. The King is not the Head of the Church of Scotland. It still exists.

Just - Church of Scotland barely financially viable & selling off its assets.

RainbowBagels · 20/11/2025 17:27

The Church of England is only one of many Protestant churches. The King is not the Head of the Church of Scotland. It still exists.

lemonraspberry · 20/11/2025 17:11

Ukisgaslit · 20/11/2025 12:24

The link between church and monarchy will need to be broken in any case .
William is not religious or spiritual in any way.

Mind you Charles and Camilla being anointed must have hard for religious people to swallow

If William is hypocritical enough to have a coronation for PR reasons , the least he could do is pay for the whole pantomime himself .

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Nothing to do with being spiritual. It is power & politics. Without the royal family the Protestant church loses its supreme head- could they continue without one, who knows? How do you think they keep their churches?

angelos02 · 20/11/2025 12:31

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Ukisgaslit · 20/11/2025 12:24

The link between church and monarchy will need to be broken in any case .
William is not religious or spiritual in any way.

Mind you Charles and Camilla being anointed must have hard for religious people to swallow

If William is hypocritical enough to have a coronation for PR reasons , the least he could do is pay for the whole pantomime himself .

VickyEadieofThigh · 20/11/2025 11:22

lemonraspberry · 12/11/2025 13:52

Get rid of the crown you also need to get rid of the church. The two work side by side. Another man made entity which decides how people should, should not live and known for endless quests for power it does not deserve.

"Get rid" of the church? What's your argument for that? Just break the link between crown and church of England, surely?

User198174 · 20/11/2025 11:18

Ukisgaslit · 20/11/2025 09:42

The money the Windsors take from the country is nothing short of an utter disgrace . The sheer greed is staggering especially in light of the state of the UK and public services .

The last Civil List payment was in 2011 and it was for something like 7.8 million .
The equivalent today if we had carried on with the Civil list system would be around 12.15 million

The Windsors are taking 137 million next year .
That is the headline figure of course . The 24/7 security for empty estates/ helicopter commutes / flying personal cars abroad etc bring the total to closer to half a BILLION
On top those handouts , William and Charles pocket around 25 million a year each from the Duchy rip off !

No one but the most swivel eyed royalist could support this greed .

Mind blowing extravagance.

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Ukisgaslit · 20/11/2025 09:42

The money the Windsors take from the country is nothing short of an utter disgrace . The sheer greed is staggering especially in light of the state of the UK and public services .

The last Civil List payment was in 2011 and it was for something like 7.8 million .
The equivalent today if we had carried on with the Civil list system would be around 12.15 million

The Windsors are taking 137 million next year .
That is the headline figure of course . The 24/7 security for empty estates/ helicopter commutes / flying personal cars abroad etc bring the total to closer to half a BILLION
On top those handouts , William and Charles pocket around 25 million a year each from the Duchy rip off !

No one but the most swivel eyed royalist could support this greed .

User198174 · 19/11/2025 08:16

CathyorClaire · 18/11/2025 20:45

The royal family don't get asked if thry fancy a state visit or opening a centre somewhere they're told what they'll be doing and when.

The whole lot rustle up some six month's FTE between them with C3 contributing a back breaking two of them, leaving months of lovely me-time for all.

Telling them to bang a gong for the nation from time to time isn't an imposition.

Exactly.

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CathyorClaire · 18/11/2025 20:45

The royal family don't get asked if thry fancy a state visit or opening a centre somewhere they're told what they'll be doing and when.

The whole lot rustle up some six month's FTE between them with C3 contributing a back breaking two of them, leaving months of lovely me-time for all.

Telling them to bang a gong for the nation from time to time isn't an imposition.

User198174 · 18/11/2025 20:27

CathyorClaire · 18/11/2025 20:22

Haven't RTFT and may be repeating the point but it's worth noting the £46m uptick derives from the sale of windfarm licences located on seabeds which should by rights belong to the nation.

E2 apparently 'saw something' about the Crown Estate taking on ownership of seabeds way back in the 1960's and they were docilely handed over paving the way for all sorts of profitable fuel rights to be sold.

C3 wanted the windfall used for the weaselly worded 'wider good' but that naturally hasn't extended to the full amount.

Also worth noting the Sovereign Grant will never reduce from the previous year's amount thanks to the golden ratchet clause which was supposed to bring stability to royal finances but in effect means if the Crown Estate profits are reduced for any reason (See Covid related losses) the treasury will make good any shortfall.

Heads the royals win, Tails we lose.

Thank you for sharing. As ever, the public loses.

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CathyorClaire · 18/11/2025 20:22

Haven't RTFT and may be repeating the point but it's worth noting the £46m uptick derives from the sale of windfarm licences located on seabeds which should by rights belong to the nation.

E2 apparently 'saw something' about the Crown Estate taking on ownership of seabeds way back in the 1960's and they were docilely handed over paving the way for all sorts of profitable fuel rights to be sold.

C3 wanted the windfall used for the weaselly worded 'wider good' but that naturally hasn't extended to the full amount.

Also worth noting the Sovereign Grant will never reduce from the previous year's amount thanks to the golden ratchet clause which was supposed to bring stability to royal finances but in effect means if the Crown Estate profits are reduced for any reason (See Covid related losses) the treasury will make good any shortfall.

Heads the royals win, Tails we lose.

MangaKanga · 17/11/2025 08:17

Much good it will do them to live ever more obscenely while more of us go under.

Charles I fucked around and found out...

User198174 · 15/11/2025 10:58

Final results - 87 % agree with me that the royals should not receive a £46 million pound increase in funding. Someone tell Rachel Reeves!

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mutinyonthetwix · 14/11/2025 17:29

User198174 · 14/11/2025 12:14

You’re off-topic. Why do the royal family require so much money to carry out their l”undemanding, pleasant duties?

Agree. Even if you accept the most conservative costs of the monarchy we could have about ten Danish monarchies for the cost of our monarchy.

wantam · 14/11/2025 17:20

What exactly have the RF done for US, yes us their subjects? Still awaiting an answer I won't want to laugh out loud at.

Well one thing's for sure, it's nothing like what the Romans did for us!

banananas1999 · 14/11/2025 17:07

didntlikeanyofthesuggestions · 12/11/2025 13:45

How ungrateful! After all the royal family do for us this is the least the government should be doing. I know Prince Andrew has had some bad publicity recently but let's not punish the others .

What do they do exactly?