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To wonder if people prefer the last government to this one?

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malificent7 · 12/11/2025 05:58

The amount of people who are saying they hate this government and would vote reform.
So let me get this straight: many would rather vote for someone who was a member of the facist party at university than labour? Er...ok then. It seems to me that most people are fairly racist and blame others for the state of the economy; immigrants, the disabled, sinle parents, working class etc.

The last government gave us Brexit which was a nightmare and landed us in the shit economically.
At least the roads are getting repaired under labour which is a tangible use of my taxes....and yet people moan about paying more taxes.

Im not saying Labour are amazing...tjey are not but are they worse than the tories?

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bittertwisted · 17/11/2025 15:40

JHound · 16/11/2025 13:46

Illegal immigrants don’t get benefits. “Foreign Aid” is a fraction of the national budget and its purpose is mainly to have influence. (Ditto the 50m to India as part of a trade deal).

And how much do you think the rest would really give us?

Yes can someone please explain to me how illegal immigrants get benefits? Asylum seekers maybe, but illegal immigrants don’t exist in benefits systems

traintonowheretoday · 16/11/2025 16:01

£1800 to strip wallpaper?!

JHound · 16/11/2025 13:46

surreygirly · 12/11/2025 13:02

Same old labour nonsense - it is not my fault

If they want to save money they could

Stop all foreign aid
Not have given 50M to Indian farmers
Not have given 50M to the guy who now runs Syria the ex ISIS commander
Not increase child allowance for more than 2 kids
Scrap all the people employed in diversity training
Stop benefits for illegal immigrants
Do not allow companies to pay less NI for employees from India than British people
Stop benefits for people who are able to work but do not wish to

None of that is rocket science to anyone other than Labour

Illegal immigrants don’t get benefits. “Foreign Aid” is a fraction of the national budget and its purpose is mainly to have influence. (Ditto the 50m to India as part of a trade deal).

And how much do you think the rest would really give us?

Papyrophile · 14/11/2025 08:54

Am I the only person to read that the Chancellor is rowing back on the income tax rise?

The FT (which most won't have read) had a persuasive article a couple of days ago saying that the UK economy is not as moribund as the broadsheet press would suggest; not in fine fettle either, but less grim than some say. Even one of the Telegraph's columnists (Ambrose Pritchard-Evans) has written similar.

EasternStandard · 14/11/2025 08:44

Starmer and Reeves are trying to avoid being taken out by back benchers or the markets. Today MPs seem to have got somewhere, the markets react. Borrowing costs hike.

They’re panicking over their jobs.

HarshbutTrue2 · 14/11/2025 08:29

Don't worry. The government has no intention of paying the WASPI women. They are just kidding them on. The WASPI women who suffered were those in lower paid jobs, dinner ladies etc, ladies who had spent time rearing their children instead of working full time. The professional classes knew about it and made arrangements accordingly,
Judging by some of the comments on here it's amazing how many people absolutely hate and loathe their parents. They will be only too happy to sign them up for assisted dying so that they can grab their hard earned money and assets.
Back to the main point of the topic: I would trust Rishi with the economy more than Rachel from accounts.

bottledboot · 13/11/2025 22:19

This government does not hate old people. It bends over for them. The triple lock is not only unaffordable now, it will become more and more expensive as time goes on, yet it seems to be some sort of sacred cow.

It's one reason productivity is so shit. Zero investment in young people

bottledboot · 13/11/2025 22:18

Turns out it’s not so easy, and the conservatives were doing better than I realised!

How so? We had barely any growth for years...

Timeforabitofpeace · 13/11/2025 21:31

EmpressoftheMundane · 13/11/2025 19:58

I’d say Labour’s current performance is making a lot of people reassess their opinions on the conservatives. Turns out it’s not so easy, and the conservatives were doing better than I realised!

Lying to us from one day to the next…

lifeonmars100 · 13/11/2025 21:26

I was pleased to read that the govt is scrapping the Police and Crime Commisioner role, only a small thing in the general mess we are in but it is a sensible move as it is an utter waste of money.

lifeonmars100 · 13/11/2025 21:22

HarshbutTrue2 · 13/11/2025 14:29

Never heard of the WASPI women? Women who worked hard all their lives, only to have their retirement put back, again, and again.
The government is introducing assisted dying in order to get rid of all the old people. So that's one problem solved. Don't say it's not true. It is the thin end of the wedge. This government hates old people.

Mumsnet isn't too keen on old people either!

EmpressoftheMundane · 13/11/2025 19:58

I’d say Labour’s current performance is making a lot of people reassess their opinions on the conservatives. Turns out it’s not so easy, and the conservatives were doing better than I realised!

Justchilling07 · 13/11/2025 19:38

Marshmallow4545 · 13/11/2025 09:51

Of course their post makes sense. Politics isn't black and white. You don't have to love a candidate or agree with every one of their policies to vote for them. Sometimes it really is a case of voting for the best of a bad lot.

Labour don't get to wriggle out of their Brexit culpability because they weren't in power. Their actions during the referendum stand for themselves. Pretending that it somehow didn't count because they weren't in power is ridiculous.

I think the Tories had made too many mistakes and gone stale. Franky they were a mess. Labour had decades in the political wilderness to sort themselves out and people thought that they surely were a better option. People we disillusioned and just wanted to Tories out. This was wrong! Many people regret it. Sometimes the grass really isn't greener on the other side. Sometimes the grass is in fact dead.

Their post makes sense, only because you agree with it, l don’t, because it’s so contradictory.
”politics isn’t black and white and and the grass isn’t always greener on the other side”🙄who actually said it was? My point was, the conservatives, chose to call a referendum, fact.No idea what you’re on about, that l’m supposedly pretending that it had nothing to do with Labour, l’m just acknowledging, that the Tories were in power for 14 years, so yes they are culpable!

LlynTegid · 13/11/2025 17:34

Marshmallow4545 · 13/11/2025 16:19

We will all be old one day. We will also see the state pension age rise and rise in our lifetimes starting at a much higher base than the WASPI women.there probably won't even be a state pension by the time some of youngest adults retire. I will be utterly furious if the WASPI women are compensated.

The government have only promised to review the matter. Does not mean there will be compensation.

LlynTegid · 13/11/2025 17:33

ilovesooty · 12/11/2025 14:25

I think Johnson was anything but funny.

How shallow.

The word I would use is traitor, a man who unlawfully suspended Parliament. The only difference from Charles I is that because of my opposition to the death penalty, I would spare Boris Johnson from hanging.

Papyrophile · 13/11/2025 17:27

I am WASPI generation, and I don't think any compensation should be paid. 1995 is 30 years ago... plenty of notice was given.

InveterateWineDrinker · 13/11/2025 16:50

Marshmallow4545 · 13/11/2025 16:19

We will all be old one day. We will also see the state pension age rise and rise in our lifetimes starting at a much higher base than the WASPI women.there probably won't even be a state pension by the time some of youngest adults retire. I will be utterly furious if the WASPI women are compensated.

This government does not hate old people. It bends over for them. The triple lock is not only unaffordable now, it will become more and more expensive as time goes on, yet it seems to be some sort of sacred cow.

The Waspi women did not have their 'retirement put back, again, and again' and it is downright disingenuous to suggest that is the case. The original 1995 Act equalised the state pension age for women born between 1950 and 1955, to be phased in over ten years from 2010. The 2011 Act then accelerated that process. The age at which the Waspi women could draw their state pension was altered precisely twice, and the second change did not even apply to all of them. They have always been free to retire whenever they wanted using their own private arrangements, which is the grim reality faced by younger generations - if only they could afford to save for their own retirements while funding current pensioners and paying current housing costs which mosly benefits, you guessed it, boomers.

I was 19 when the 1995 Act was passed and I knew about it then; it was in the news for weeks. The Waspi women must have been pretty dedicated to ignorance if they didn't know about it. I too will be furious if they are compensated for opting to stick their heads in the sand.

Everanewbie · 13/11/2025 16:36

Marshmallow4545 · 13/11/2025 16:19

We will all be old one day. We will also see the state pension age rise and rise in our lifetimes starting at a much higher base than the WASPI women.there probably won't even be a state pension by the time some of youngest adults retire. I will be utterly furious if the WASPI women are compensated.

Me too. As I read in the paper today "I can't think of a cause less worthy of support than the WASPI women"

Marshmallow4545 · 13/11/2025 16:19

HarshbutTrue2 · 13/11/2025 14:29

Never heard of the WASPI women? Women who worked hard all their lives, only to have their retirement put back, again, and again.
The government is introducing assisted dying in order to get rid of all the old people. So that's one problem solved. Don't say it's not true. It is the thin end of the wedge. This government hates old people.

We will all be old one day. We will also see the state pension age rise and rise in our lifetimes starting at a much higher base than the WASPI women.there probably won't even be a state pension by the time some of youngest adults retire. I will be utterly furious if the WASPI women are compensated.

hamstersarse · 13/11/2025 14:57

I would prefer Richard Tice to Farage, but will still vote Reform.

I like Kemi, she is sensible and in touch, but she has a lot of repair to do to bring the party together on some key issues.

Obviously, this Labour government are awful, but it was also time for the Tories to go. Sunak was a bureaucrat, nice fella, but weak - competent, but weak.

I can't wait until Brexit is actually done properly and we get ourselves out of the idiotic ECHR and other EU related hell, and start acting like an independent nation in the interests of the people who live here.

HarshbutTrue2 · 13/11/2025 14:29

bottledboot · 12/11/2025 15:04

We have an ageing population & have done nothing to plan for it. Years of low growth & little investment, low interest rates kicked the can down the road & now there is no more road. People don't want to acknowledge it though & prefer to blame others.

Never heard of the WASPI women? Women who worked hard all their lives, only to have their retirement put back, again, and again.
The government is introducing assisted dying in order to get rid of all the old people. So that's one problem solved. Don't say it's not true. It is the thin end of the wedge. This government hates old people.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 13/11/2025 14:12

Gingernessy · 12/11/2025 08:04

Covid and a few unexpected global problems left us I the shit too.
Labour gave us tax credits in the 90's allowing working families to work 16 hours and be topped up by hundreds of pounds of tax payer money for nothing. They created pension credit making those who hadn't paid in a couple of pounds worse off than those who paid in for 40/50 years.
All unaffordable.
UC had to have conditions attached to it to make people get a job and the child allowances capped at 2 children to stop people having kids for a payrise and an excuse not to work.
Labour have always been the party that came to power with a surplus - they would then spend it all and the tories would have to step in and sort the mess.
This time there was already no money and Labour can't work out what to do.
Labour are the party of the shirker.
I've never been better off under a Labour government and I earn no where near even the median wage for UK.
As a worker getting no state help I expect to be worse off again on Nov 26 - however the benefits brigade will be fine.
And if they are targeted no doubt they will scream unfair! and some out of touch back benchers will come along and save their payments.

Absolutely this.
Labour in the 90’s ie Blair and Brown started an entitlement culture that has just grown and expanded.
It is very difficult to dial back a culture of entitlement and is a big part of the reason the country is in the shit.

38thparallel · 13/11/2025 13:21

Labour could have teamed up with other parties and demanded clear cross party rules about how referendum results would be treated.

Are there not already rules for how referendum rules would be treated? It’s not as if there had never been referendums before.

Sartre · 13/11/2025 13:21

It’s more of the same and people are seeking an alternative. We’re finally getting away from two party politics which is great. It isn’t just Reform either, they just get the most airtime. The Greens are doing great.

Papyrophile · 13/11/2025 13:19

The last 30 or so messages is the first coherent, concerted series of comments on the big events of the last 15 years that I've read on MN. By which I mean, obviously, that I agree!