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I hate how DS2 speaks about his wife

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ArtyGmam · 12/11/2025 05:16

I have 2 grown sons, DS1 is 33 and DS2 is 31. Both are married, DS1 has a 2 year old and a newborn, DS1 has a 17 month old. We don’t live locally to them but make a real attempt to see them as often as we can and they both call often.
I have always felt that DS1 is just the kindest, most genuine man on earth, even as a teenager he was a very kind boy, never had any issues with bullying or misbehaviour, just a genuine delight to raise. DS2 was definitely my more challenging child but ultimately he is also lovely and kind and successful and that’s all that matters.
However I have always noticed slight differences in the way my boys treat their partners, DS1 has always been so respectful of the people he has dated or his now wife, even when times are tough and he’s struggling, he would never insult them, makes a real effort to see things from their perspective and to understand. Ever since he met his wife he has acted like he is the luckiest man on earth and it works as she behaves like the luckiest woman on earth, every time I speak to DS1 he just raves about how amazing his daughters and wife are.

DS2 on the other hand has had a fair share of toxic relationships, I’ve had to remind him at times to check the language he is using when talking about women and I’ve had to remind him that you can disagree with someone, be upset at them and even break up with them without having to insult them, especially insults which are opinion based and unrelated to the issue at hand. Lately on calls he keeps saying how frustrated he is with his wife, things like “K didn’t cook today because she was too tired, so bloody lazy” when just 10 minutes before he was telling me how their child didn’t sleep the night before and his wife was already under the weather with a cold. When I try to remind him that he is also able to cook etc. he just goes on about how she is a SAHM so all the house responsibilities are hers. DS1 would never do this, his wife is also a SAHM, but he consistently makes a point of complimenting how appreciative he is of everything she does at home.

It’s really starting to upset me how DS2 speaks, especially when words like lazy, boring, grumpy, nagging etc. come up. Now I am aware I don’t live with them and maybe she just isn’t being totally fair but I maintain insulting your wife to your mother is never the correct approach and it reads to me that he just doesn’t respect her as much as he should, which would line up with how he treated his exes.

AIBU to hate this behaviour and should I call it out more or leave it as it’s not my marriage and I’m just his mum?

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sittingonabeach · 13/11/2025 08:03

@soupyspoon I doubt nagging would be a term used as that is very much a misogynistic word. Also if I phoned my mum to say DH hadn’t ironed my top I think she would be telling me to iron it myself. The DIL is parenting a young child and sounds like doing all the nights. Again if DS phoned me to complain about DIL not having ironed his shirt or cooked his dinner after being up all night with little one I would be very unimpressed with him.

soupyspoon · 13/11/2025 07:42

Celestialmoods · 12/11/2025 06:36

How sad that your son can’t confide in his mother without being judged and compared to his brother.

Im wondering what would happen if a daughter confided in her mother that her husband was lazy, grumpy, nagging etc etc. She would be told to leave him, not shut up about it and if there was a thread on here posters would be replicating that language and cheering her on.

SixtySomething · 13/11/2025 07:36

TwinkleTwinkleLittleBatgirl · 12/11/2025 05:19

Lots of issues there, it seems quite clear that ds1 has always been a clear favourite of yours!
were you a sahm?

Ridiculous!

IhateHPSDeaneCnt · 13/11/2025 07:32

I can't believe how toxic the initial response from hoiking bosom poster led to more. You sound like a great Parent; you've done your best to teach your sons respect. I despair at some of the replies - only a couple away from agreeing that 'she was asking for it - all he asked for was a hot Dinner on the table - even though she'd been up with sick kid all night'. Hoiking Bosom brigade are obviously delighted when their precious male progeny start snivelling and complaining.

OhDear111 · 12/11/2025 23:35

@mbosnz My DDs know they aren’t the same! What I do is treat them equally. I cannot change their careers or many other things. Both have faults! Both have great attributes and they are valued human beings. However I cannot make their lives equal. However I’d be cross if their husbands (they haven’t got them yet) complained about them like this.

Wordsmithery · 12/11/2025 23:17

CaminoPlanner · 12/11/2025 09:30

You think it's a woman's fault a man is misogynistic? But that also the guilty woman should do nothing about it? Interesting Catch 22 you have stuck the OP in there.

Well I really meant that perhaps he's used to being put down and is repeating the behaviour - because OP couldn't come up with much that was nice about him. Being put down results in low self esteem which in turn can lead to bullying behaviour.

99bottlesofkombucha · 12/11/2025 22:21

I think there’s scope for you to say mildly your dad would never have expected me to iron a shirt for him after being up all night with the baby, he’d have done an hour overnight to let me catch a break. It sometimes doesn’t feel like you’re very supportive when it’s your child too. No one should have to work 24 hours when they have a partner.

TryingAgainAgainAgain · 12/11/2025 18:17

AIBU to hate this behaviour and should I call it out more or leave it as it’s not my marriage and I’m just his mum?

It's not interfering to say, "Please don't talk about your wife like that to me. It's so disrespectful."

That's just you drawing a line re what you are prepared to listen to.

You don't have to say anything more (unless it seems like a useful conversation is possible). But repeat every time he does it.

EstherGreenwood63 · 12/11/2025 18:01

Ignore the many goaders who have arrived to denigrate the OP. These fellas are obvious af. Sad sacks... 🤣

DownThePubWithStevieNicks · 12/11/2025 17:52

Actually gobsmacked that a 31 year old man in 2025 is under the impression that his wife should be ironing his shirts for him.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 12/11/2025 15:06

AgnesX · 12/11/2025 07:21

If my son or daughter come to that said a thing like that about their partner they'd be getting a flea in their ear.

Your sons attitude is pretty poor really. I really loathe these men who think that their working day finishes the minute they leave work. How did he come to believe that's right?

Agree. I would call him out on it every time he goes there. It's fine to acknowledge that everyone needs a vent now and again and very small children places a huge strain on everyone but he is speaking about his wife in a really abusive tone.

Is this how you were/are treated by his father?

GooseyGandalf · 12/11/2025 13:16

Velvian · 12/11/2025 08:26

The thing I never understand is why do men, when having their first child, expect their workload to decrease?

If you were cooking for yourself, tidying up after yourself, doing your laundry...before you became a parent, why is it now feet up after work time? Why also do so many people, including a large proportion of MN agree?? It has always been baffling to me.

The person you are now expecting to do this for you is recovering from pregnancy and childbirth, is not sleeping through, night after night, possibly feeding the child from their own body. Likely to have vitamin deficiencies from blood loss and breast feeding.

It is such a, society approved, lack of humanity. He is going to work, same as before. Not a special soldier just because he is earning a salary, he would be doing that anyway. The only way I have found to deal wuth this fuckwittery is to earn a salary myself. That is not the answer though, the answer is men need to take on more unpaid caring and domestic work.

I still do far more caring and domestic jobs than DH. The difference is everyone thinks I'm a bloody saint now, (including DH and his parents) which is easier to deal with.

It baffles me too.

reversingdumptruckwithnotyreson · 12/11/2025 12:47

Coffeeishot · 12/11/2025 10:37

Would you elaborate what you mean i don't understand the boy mum comments.

To be fair I have realised I jumped to conclusions here - I assumed the women defending the son’s behaviour were mothers of boys who then go on to raise them as coddled manchildren.

I realise it was a big assumption.

2GreatFatSquirrels · 12/11/2025 11:54

Just say ‘she’s a SAHM not a slave. You said yourself she has a cold and DD didn’t sleep, at the end of the day her not cooking occasionally doesn’t make her a bad person but you bitching about your wife might’.

Sparklinggreen · 12/11/2025 11:48

I think a parent can and should advise their children at any age. Even if he’s 31.

If he talks like this to you about his wife, likely he talks negatively about her in her presence or even to his friends etc.

I’m sure his wife knows or feels this negativity and over time it will have a terrible compounding effect and set a terrible example to his child about respect etc

I think you should speak to him about this and try and get him to see how this behaviour would be perceived by his wife. Surely he doesn’t want to hurt her? He should find practical solutions to his problems, even if he is justified in thinking his wife doesn’t do her share of the household duties he should talk to her and have a grown up conversation to resolve the issue, not bad mouth his wife to anyone who will listen.

If he has no justification, you should make him realise how hurtful these comments can be and warn him against doing so.

Comparison to his brother is irrelevant here

Barney16 · 12/11/2025 11:45

I have grown up sons and I would speak to him about it. I would be livid if I was you.

mbosnz · 12/11/2025 11:35

@OhDear111 I absolutely agree that it is okay to describe our offspring as different, as they are! However, if the differences are described as overwhelmingly negative on the part of one, and in contrast, glaringly positive of the other, I think we need to seek to recognise, acknowledge it, and address it in our parenting.

Whether or not it's 'choosing a favourite', we need to keep in mind the potential impact of it on our children, because they are potentially going to internalise it that way, regardless of our intent.

I say this as a mother of two very different girls, and yes, I have had it pointed out to me that I spoke very differently about them. It was bloody hard to hear, but it was also fair, and it was impacting my relationship with them, theirs with each other, and how one thought of herself. I worked hard not to make outright comparisons but I didn't hear how these sneaked through just in the way I talked about them.

OhDear111 · 12/11/2025 11:22

@mbosnz It is ok to describe dc as different! My two are very different. Anyone who knows us knows that. I actually find other people far more judgemental than me. I’ve seen rolling eyes from a Godmother for example. A Godmother who didn’t act like one. I think parents who have dc with very different personalities try ultra hard to treat dc evenly. Years ago my DM failed in this so I’ve been very aware not to do it. Unfortunately the lives of dc aren’t identical and it’s ok to note that, but it’s not choosing a favourite.

goldtrap · 12/11/2025 10:50

It's interesting you give so much back story about two sons when it sounds like you have a problem with just one. Your OP could just as easily have said "my son badmouths his wife to me. What should I do?"

You are hearing Son 1's Pollyanna "hello trees, hello flowers, everything's rosy, I love my life" vibe because hey, that's who he is, right? Meanwhile, Wife 1 might be quietly gritting her teeth ('why doesn't he notice I'm unhappy? Why is everything so bloody positive?).

You are hearing Son 2's spiky "my wife is lazy" vibe because, oh of course he would say that, he always does that. When maybe he's actually saying "I'm really unhappy. I don't know how to express this."

I would say "why are you telling me this?" Are you just venting? In which case, you can vent, but I'm not interested in name-calling. Unhappy? OK, do you both need a break? Can I come and take the baby? More serious? Would you consider counselling?

But yeah, bottom line is, name-calling your wife is not a good look.You know that, and I'm surprised you think I am OK with hearing that. So what's the real problem here?

Coffeeishot · 12/11/2025 10:37

reversingdumptruckwithnotyreson · 12/11/2025 10:34

This thread perfectly shows why a lot of boy mums are the problem. Jesus wept.

Would you elaborate what you mean i don't understand the boy mum comments.

reversingdumptruckwithnotyreson · 12/11/2025 10:34

This thread perfectly shows why a lot of boy mums are the problem. Jesus wept.

PixieandMe · 12/11/2025 10:14

I didn't get from OP's post that her eldest is her favourite at all.

I would just tell him how you feel, OP. It may make him think of it may not but it's really all you can do.

You sound lovely.

Brefugee · 12/11/2025 10:09

People are different. Children with the same upbringing in every way can turn out differently.

Clearly your DS2 sounds like a bit of a twat. So what can you do? Not much. Remind him that he's being awful, pull him up on how he talks about women, and... not much else, tbh.

CinnamonBuns67 · 12/11/2025 10:09

I'd call him out on it and I'd be telling him how it is from potentially her point view. It's not about taking sides, it's about correcting bad behaviour when you see it.

MangaKanga · 12/11/2025 10:06

I do OP sounds like a caring mother.

I think you should reach our to your DIL if you can and try to forge the most supportive direct relationship with her that you can (difficult given the distance of course). If the marriage doesn't last, then it may make it easier for you to have a relationship with your grandchild long-term if you are on the best terms with the mother.