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To be so intrigued by America?

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hollyblueivy · 11/11/2025 23:18

AIBU to be so intrigued by America and just how vastly different it is to the UK despite both being rich modern nations?

Trump features a lot in the UK news and it has made me look into why the US seem so uncaring. Their systems to help the vulnerable are so different to ours. They have no right to housing so many can easily risk facing homelessness. With no national health service, access to healthcare is much more difficult and expensive, pushing people into deprivation even if they are working.

They don’t seem to have the same socialist heart as the UK and it gives a very much dog eat dog and every man for themselves culture.

I don’t think I fully appreciated this before. Anyone else?

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Parker231 · 12/11/2025 07:31

OneGladRoseTiger · 12/11/2025 00:26

I’m an American living in the US. You don’t understand a lot of what happens here, as is clear from your posts. But that’s ok. You don’t live here, and never will, so you don’t need to. I could try and break it all down for you an explain how things like Section 8 and Medicaid work, just to start with. But I just think this is yet another anti-American post here and you don’t actually want to understand anything.

As someone who lives just north of the US/Canada border, we fully understand how America works. You can keep it. There is nothing we want.

Elsvieta · 12/11/2025 07:30

YankSplaining · 11/11/2025 23:52

@PermanentTemporary ”huge range of states; governance and culture really vary from state to state” - it’s interesting to me how so many people on Mumsnet fail to grasp this. (Not talking about anyone on this thread.) I still smile a little when I think of that one thread several months ago where the OP was contemplating a move to Connecticut, and people started telling her that she’d be living amongst evangelical Christians and would never be able to get an abortion. In Connecticut. 😂

An American I know says the US is really "fifty countries in a trenchcoat".

Parker231 · 12/11/2025 07:27

PermanentTemporary · 11/11/2025 23:38

Just a few points from someone who adores the USA.

  • huge range of states; governance and culture really vary from state to state.
  • Americans are much, much more structurally generous than Brits. Giving to charities, social organisations etc, both in money and time, is stratispherically higher than it is over here. What they don’t choose is to have the federal state as involved as the state is here. That has positives and negatives, but there is absolutely no lack of sharing, caring and giving, much more locally and flexibly than we do.
  • American healthcare is the best in the world, and it is freely available to those without any money at all. It’s the low income worker that struggles, and a tangled range of vested interests keeps costs high and public health variable.
  • What is presented to us in the media is of course distorted. The US is presented as ‘anti-vax’ but they have much stricter standards on vaccination than we do, or as ‘anti abortion’ when a big proportion of states have much better abortion laws than we do in the UK.

Have you actually lived in the US?

Lastfroginthebox · 12/11/2025 07:24

It's very different. Religion has a much bigger hold over there though I'm not sure why. They also seem to demonize left-wing views and anything mildly socialist gets labelled as communism. I think it's because it's the rich who have the greatest power (like Trump and Musk) and they like to promote the 'American dream' idea that anyone can succeed if they work hard enough. It's a myth but it makes them feel they've earned their wealth and power and shouldn't have to share it.

Sharptonguedwoman · 12/11/2025 07:08

big proportion of states have much better abortion laws than we do in the UK.

Could you explain that please?

Sharptonguedwoman · 12/11/2025 07:05

OneGladRoseTiger · 12/11/2025 00:26

I’m an American living in the US. You don’t understand a lot of what happens here, as is clear from your posts. But that’s ok. You don’t live here, and never will, so you don’t need to. I could try and break it all down for you an explain how things like Section 8 and Medicaid work, just to start with. But I just think this is yet another anti-American post here and you don’t actually want to understand anything.

Would be most grateful for an explanation please.

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 12/11/2025 07:02

I’ve (unfortunately) had a lot of contact with American people over the last few days because of a holiday company going bust.

im shocked at how many of them seem to think things like travel insurance is just completely useless. Until now, where they’re now all angry because they cant get refunds! It seems like a very weird society to live in.

Sharptonguedwoman · 12/11/2025 07:01

labamba18 · 12/11/2025 04:17

This sounds like the uk health system to me. My family member (we’re in the uk) is going through this exact thing with the nhs.

Sorry to hear that.

Sharptonguedwoman · 12/11/2025 06:59

MissConductUS · 11/11/2025 23:57

Don’t believe everything you read on the internet. If he was low income his care would have been covered under Medicaid.

https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/program-information/medicaid-and-chip-enrollment-data/report-highlights

it provides government funded healthcare for 77 million Americans.

It was difficult to discern quite what Medicaid would cover but I take the point.

Pinkbowls · 12/11/2025 06:52

Subaroo · 12/11/2025 00:33

Strange that this woman didn't contact a food bank first, isn't it? 50 churches? Almost sounds made up.

She recorded every phone call. You can watch them on TikTok. She also had the noise of a baby crying in the background and the ones that ask her if she has tried xyz are told that she has tried everything she has phoned everywhere and she is desperate her baby hasn’t eaten since the night before. They still say no.

A lot of the churches also only help people that are from that church.

She also got people blaming the Biden Obama administration, it’s bizarre.

If they think it’s a scam then they would be out one can of baby formula if it’s true and they rejected her then they let a crying baby go hungry.

vivainsomnia · 12/11/2025 06:50

What is so sad and even becoming dangerous is how people form opinions, which then turns into what they think is the truth from what they hear or read on social media. Worse, it takes one random stranger bloke to say something and that becomes scientific evidence of a fact.

Honesty people, get off your phone and get a sense check of real life!

StrayGoose · 12/11/2025 04:29

LivGo · 12/11/2025 04:00

I know this is pedantic, and lots of people do it, but please - America is not just the USA.

There are 35 different countries in the Americas - e.g. Brasil, Mexico, Argentina, Canada etc etc. The USA is just one of these 35 countries.

Edited

As a Canadian, I can assure you there is an exactly zero chance of me ever considering where I am from as “America”.

ThatNiftyBlueSwan · 12/11/2025 04:23

It always amuses me when people say that the food in America is “vile “ - do they think there is no fresh produce here? The supermarkets are amazing with a huge variety of groceries and produce, and plenty of high quality and organic food. Some people do not eat well for a variety of reasons, and there are sadly “ food deserts “ where it is impossible to buy fresh food. That is a terrible thing and many people are working to change that.
But there are also plenty of farmers’ markets and a range of grocery stores selling exactly the same type of food you find anywhere else. I do all my -affordable and healthy- grocery shopping down the road at Aldi , as I did in the UK !

labamba18 · 12/11/2025 04:17

Sharptonguedwoman · 11/11/2025 23:48

I’m not American and I’ve not visited BUT I read an account by a man with a heart problem and no money. Every time he had a heart issue, a hospital would do the bare minimum to get him back out of the door. They would only sort the problem properly when the man was literally at death’s door and there were no other options.
if true, I don’t fancy that system at all.

This sounds like the uk health system to me. My family member (we’re in the uk) is going through this exact thing with the nhs.

cityanalyst678 · 12/11/2025 04:17

Having lived in the U.S, part of our taxes were for Medicare. So everyone can access basic health care. They have a stronger work ethic and don’t expect everyone else to be subsidising them. They are much more self reliant and do not have the same expectations as many people do here.
It is the norm to have 6 weeks maternity leave, no where near as much annual leave as us and no reliance on sick pay. They are far more productive at work and can command far better pay. Without doubt they have a higher standard of living. They are more upbeat and respect professionals. Their economy has boomed over the years and they lead the way in innovation and technology.
By the way we are not a rich country, we are very nearly bankrupt.

Beekman · 12/11/2025 04:16

You’d be surprised how much alumni donate to their British colleges too.

I’ll be buggered if Manchester University are getting a penny more from me and I definitely wouldn’t feel differently if I were a billionaire

RedTagAlan · 12/11/2025 04:09

Crushed23 · 12/11/2025 02:18

Also completely agree with this. My jaw dropped when I found out how much one of the senior partners at my firm had donated to his old university (7 figures…). There’s a HUGE culture of giving.

Tax deductible.

My understanding is that people in general are not going without so they can give to charity. It's the taxman who goes without.

Beekman · 12/11/2025 04:09

LivGo · 12/11/2025 04:00

I know this is pedantic, and lots of people do it, but please - America is not just the USA.

There are 35 different countries in the Americas - e.g. Brasil, Mexico, Argentina, Canada etc etc. The USA is just one of these 35 countries.

Edited

Instead of saying ‘The United States of America’ every time, many people just shorten it to ‘America’. I don’t think anyone is denying the existence of Uruguay or any of the other countries on the continent by doing this. It would be perhaps better to shorten it to “The States” but on this thread we all know which country is being referred to when someone types “America”

LivGo · 12/11/2025 04:00

I know this is pedantic, and lots of people do it, but please - America is not just the USA.

There are 35 different countries in the Americas - e.g. Brasil, Mexico, Argentina, Canada etc etc. The USA is just one of these 35 countries.

SoftBalletShoes · 12/11/2025 03:46

TempestTost · 12/11/2025 02:05

I sometimes think it would be easier for people in the UK to understand the US if they thought of it as being more like Europe, where each state is like a country with a lot of autonomy, which they are pretty fierce about maintaining.

And this makes sense when you consider how very large the country is. Many Americans have little to do day to day with the federal government, it is their state governments that are really impactful on their lives. And also where they have more say as a citizen.

Absolutely!

SoftBalletShoes · 12/11/2025 03:45

Crushed23 · 12/11/2025 02:15

As a Brit who lives in the States, I completely agree with this.

Me too.

SoftBalletShoes · 12/11/2025 03:41

nixon1976 · 12/11/2025 02:24

Me too

The Brits in Boston Facebook group is great and they have lots of meet-ups, btw.

RedTagAlan · 12/11/2025 03:23

TempestTost · 12/11/2025 02:15

But why would a state like Wyoming have agreed to union at all if their interests were just going to be bowled over by New Yorkers or Califonians every election?

That's hardly about the interests of rich landowners.

It's like saying in the EU each country gets more say depending on their population, so the tiny countries would simply end up governed by the will of the large ones.

It would be a dereliction of their duty to their citizens to agree to that.

"It would be a dereliction of their duty to their citizens to agree to that."

Why ?

Should we work on majority vote or not?

If the rule from the start had been one person one vote for federal stuff, then Wyoming might not have joined. Their choice It would certainly be interesting to see the USA today if they had went with a one man one vote majority system ( and it was men only who could vote as we know. . Erm checks web, apart from Wyoming. Well done Wyoming, universal suffrage since founding in 1890.

They are happy enough to just have one congressman compared to the 52 from California.

And they still have their State laws.

The system now is that a Wyoming senate voter has 68 times the power than a California voter. The 3 million US citizens in Puerto Rico have zero vote power in the Senate.

So Puerto Ricans have to abide by fed laws they have no say over.

I don't think it is a whataboutism to mention PR, because we are discussing the US as a whole.

nixon1976 · 12/11/2025 02:24

SoftBalletShoes · 12/11/2025 01:35

I'm near Boston.

Me too

Crushed23 · 12/11/2025 02:18

PermanentTemporary · 11/11/2025 23:38

Just a few points from someone who adores the USA.

  • huge range of states; governance and culture really vary from state to state.
  • Americans are much, much more structurally generous than Brits. Giving to charities, social organisations etc, both in money and time, is stratispherically higher than it is over here. What they don’t choose is to have the federal state as involved as the state is here. That has positives and negatives, but there is absolutely no lack of sharing, caring and giving, much more locally and flexibly than we do.
  • American healthcare is the best in the world, and it is freely available to those without any money at all. It’s the low income worker that struggles, and a tangled range of vested interests keeps costs high and public health variable.
  • What is presented to us in the media is of course distorted. The US is presented as ‘anti-vax’ but they have much stricter standards on vaccination than we do, or as ‘anti abortion’ when a big proportion of states have much better abortion laws than we do in the UK.

Also completely agree with this. My jaw dropped when I found out how much one of the senior partners at my firm had donated to his old university (7 figures…). There’s a HUGE culture of giving.