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FiveShelties · 12/11/2025 08:37

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 07:29

Oh absolutely nobody is saying every boomer wants this paid, or is greedy etc - but this generation has done FAR better financially than any other yet still pushes for more, when everyone else struggles so much. Honestly unless you were born post 1980, you can really understand what it’s like to work and buy a first home in this climate. It’s brutal.

Honestly, I was born in 1956 and understand completely how much of a struggle it is for younger people to buy property.

The constant comments about older people not understanding completely undermine your argument. It should not be young against old, it should be decisions made for the general good and giving people who have enough is just not right.

Redburnett · 12/11/2025 08:35

Nothing to suggest that ministers intend to do this, just an MP saying they should reconsider as far as i can see from that report.

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 12/11/2025 08:34

BIossomtoes · 12/11/2025 08:31

It is around here.

I was born in 1953. The first change to pension age in 1993 was completely fair, it gave around 20 years notice and allowed for pension planning. You’d have had to live under a rock not to be aware of the second change in 2011 but it was fundamentally unfair because it gave virtually no notice to some women born in the early 1950s. The implementation of the changes was an absolute shitshow, it was a whole series of cliff edges - I missed out on four months of pension by being born eight hours too late.

I don’t want or expect compensation and will return it in the very unlikely event that it’s offered but I would like acknowledgement that the 2011 changes gave way too little notice and the implementation was carried out by civil servants who had no idea what they were doing.

No. It’s not. It’s a descriptor of the time period you were born in.

BIossomtoes · 12/11/2025 08:31

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 12/11/2025 08:10

Boomer is not a slur.

It is around here.

I was born in 1953. The first change to pension age in 1993 was completely fair, it gave around 20 years notice and allowed for pension planning. You’d have had to live under a rock not to be aware of the second change in 2011 but it was fundamentally unfair because it gave virtually no notice to some women born in the early 1950s. The implementation of the changes was an absolute shitshow, it was a whole series of cliff edges - I missed out on four months of pension by being born eight hours too late.

I don’t want or expect compensation and will return it in the very unlikely event that it’s offered but I would like acknowledgement that the 2011 changes gave way too little notice and the implementation was carried out by civil servants who had no idea what they were doing.

patooties · 12/11/2025 08:28

I will be furious if they do this.

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 08:25

CanaryChaffinch · 12/11/2025 08:10

I kind of wish I hadn’t opened this thread. By all means and of course it’s necessary to mention age when talking of the Waspi issue is off the scale vitriol and hatred. But the slurs and lumping of all of us “boomers” as selfish rich and property laden and more is pretty disgusting. I know that the next comment will be something like ‘well it’s disgusting their entitlement and we’re paying…”

I think it’s naive to not expect the generational attitude to come into play here (and no, as ever, that doesn’t mean it applies to every person). I don’t think any other generation would pursue this as vigorously as the WASPIs if they knew they were as a cohort far better off than the rest of the country.

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WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 12/11/2025 08:25

CanaryChaffinch · 12/11/2025 08:22

Maybe not in isolation, but it is being used very negatively to say the least in many comments on this thread.

Maybe reflect on why that is?

Noseyoldcow · 12/11/2025 08:24

Well, the general consensus on here is that the WASPI women shouldn’t get a payout, and some people are getting quite excited that a payout is even being mooted, and how the older generation have had it better than younger generations blah, blah, blah. Calm down! No one is getting a payout anyway I’m quite sure of that. And even if they were, it would take our inefficient government so long to sort it that they’ll all be 6ft under by payout time anyway. But as I said before, I wouldn’t mind getting it, and I daresay those of you frothing wouldn’t turn it down either.

CanaryChaffinch · 12/11/2025 08:22

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 12/11/2025 08:10

Boomer is not a slur.

Maybe not in isolation, but it is being used very negatively to say the least in many comments on this thread.

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 08:15

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It’s very difficult, but the kids like spending time with her so I just have to tolerate it. But she’s very snide, proud, underhand and all about ‘number 1’. Probably a matter for another thread!

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WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 12/11/2025 08:10

CanaryChaffinch · 12/11/2025 08:10

I kind of wish I hadn’t opened this thread. By all means and of course it’s necessary to mention age when talking of the Waspi issue is off the scale vitriol and hatred. But the slurs and lumping of all of us “boomers” as selfish rich and property laden and more is pretty disgusting. I know that the next comment will be something like ‘well it’s disgusting their entitlement and we’re paying…”

Boomer is not a slur.

CanaryChaffinch · 12/11/2025 08:10

I kind of wish I hadn’t opened this thread. By all means and of course it’s necessary to mention age when talking of the Waspi issue is off the scale vitriol and hatred. But the slurs and lumping of all of us “boomers” as selfish rich and property laden and more is pretty disgusting. I know that the next comment will be something like ‘well it’s disgusting their entitlement and we’re paying…”

ilovesooty · 12/11/2025 07:55

StrikeForever · 11/11/2025 23:29

This is being quoted because Starmer said. Financial experts have said it would be nowhere near this figure. This is happening because new evidence has come to light and the case will be coming to court will a likelihood that the Government wouldn’t have a case against it and would lose. Compensation for past injustices always cost a lot of money. The way to save that money is to ensure that things are done without injustice.

This is pensioners though. You lot carry on not giving a shit about them until you get there. Then it will be, oops “I wasn’t careful what I wished for”!

I am a pensioner in the WASPI cohort. I don't think there should be a payout.

Nowtheyreon · 12/11/2025 07:51

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WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 12/11/2025 07:51

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 07:43

Absolutely. MIL isn’t Waspi (1 year too old) but her greed, entitlement and ‘fuck everyone else’ is staggering. She was born in a modest (but not poor) Northern family, became a military wife at 21, and thanks to economic circumstances they have lived an incredibly comfortable life - I think she worked for the equivalent of about 15 full time years (took a decade off to have children then very part time), lovely large house in nice area, holiday home abroad, the forces paid for both of her children to attend boarding school in the same town they live in so she didn’t even have to parent for years, just saw them at weekends. Has wanted for absolutely nothing. I don’t begrudge that, anyone else would do the same, but she’s convinced that she’s ’worked all her life’ and is now paying for everyone else in the country to be feckless and workshy. There’s no doubt in my mind if she was WASPI she would be fighting tooth and nail for the payout, saying she’s ’worked all her life’ and deserves it.

Totally the same as my mum.

She’s worked hard. I don’t deny that. But through various lucky circumstances her and my dad have ended up with 5 (!!!) residential rental properties and one commercial rental property. Plus the family home. They make more in a month than I do in three. But they were still outraged when their winter fuel allowance was cut. Claimed they’d go cold without it. In reality it was because she used the winter fuel allowance to pay for the Christmas food and wanted to do the same last year. I’m sick of the entitlement.

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 07:47

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He’s even more annoyed about it than I am!

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Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 07:43

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 12/11/2025 07:26

I think every single “WASPI” woman should have to stand an explain why they think their payout is more important than the NHS, our schools, and social care. Every single one should be told what their potential payout could fund (NHS treatment, school staffing etc.) and explain why they think it’s better off in their pockets. Every single one should have to explain whether they own their property mortgage free, what their current level of income is, and their lifestyle, and justify it.

expose the greed of this generation for the entire country to see it.

Absolutely. MIL isn’t Waspi (1 year too old) but her greed, entitlement and ‘fuck everyone else’ is staggering. She was born in a modest (but not poor) Northern family, became a military wife at 21, and thanks to economic circumstances they have lived an incredibly comfortable life - I think she worked for the equivalent of about 15 full time years (took a decade off to have children then very part time), lovely large house in nice area, holiday home abroad, the forces paid for both of her children to attend boarding school in the same town they live in so she didn’t even have to parent for years, just saw them at weekends. Has wanted for absolutely nothing. I don’t begrudge that, anyone else would do the same, but she’s convinced that she’s ’worked all her life’ and is now paying for everyone else in the country to be feckless and workshy. There’s no doubt in my mind if she was WASPI she would be fighting tooth and nail for the payout, saying she’s ’worked all her life’ and deserves it.

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WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 12/11/2025 07:32

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 07:29

Oh absolutely nobody is saying every boomer wants this paid, or is greedy etc - but this generation has done FAR better financially than any other yet still pushes for more, when everyone else struggles so much. Honestly unless you were born post 1980, you can really understand what it’s like to work and buy a first home in this climate. It’s brutal.

Yet the same generation will really condescendingly say “oh just spend a bit less!”, or “you have to slum it for a while”

my mum missed out on being a waspi by 3 years, but she is definitely part of the boomer generation and she will often say she used to “survive” on only £30 a week after paying her mortgage and bills.

but that £30 would buy food, transport, socialising, everything else. She doesn’t seem to understand that these days £30 isn’t even enough to get you to and from work for a week.

mutinyonthetwix · 12/11/2025 07:32

No government, not even one as daft as this one, would u turn on this. There is probably some box that needs ticking that has been missed.

Public authorities are under duties to give conscientious consideration to evidence and representations when taking certain decisions and they can be subject to procedural challenge if it appears an outcome had been pre-judged.

I am sure that this talk of reconsideration is just performative until whatever this new evidence is can be formally dismissed.

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 07:29

Letskeepcalm · 12/11/2025 07:20

Im a boomer and I don't think it should be paid

Oh absolutely nobody is saying every boomer wants this paid, or is greedy etc - but this generation has done FAR better financially than any other yet still pushes for more, when everyone else struggles so much. Honestly unless you were born post 1980, you can really understand what it’s like to work and buy a first home in this climate. It’s brutal.

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WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 12/11/2025 07:26

I think every single “WASPI” woman should have to stand an explain why they think their payout is more important than the NHS, our schools, and social care. Every single one should be told what their potential payout could fund (NHS treatment, school staffing etc.) and explain why they think it’s better off in their pockets. Every single one should have to explain whether they own their property mortgage free, what their current level of income is, and their lifestyle, and justify it.

expose the greed of this generation for the entire country to see it.

BettysRoasties · 12/11/2025 07:23

So this and lifting the child cap. Yet we are trying to plug the black hole rather than make it bigger. Bit of a joke really. But the squished middle will pay as always 🥱

Letskeepcalm · 12/11/2025 07:20

Im a boomer and I don't think it should be paid

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