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To wonder if UK lycees sometimes hinder the integration of French immigrant kids?

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Carla786 · 11/11/2025 18:53

I was reading Ben Judah's excellent book This Is London recently, about the relative integration of different immigrant groups in London. The focus was mainly on non-Western European immigrants, but there was some mention of the French immigrant population of Kensington.
I went to school there - my school was very near a lycee but I never thought much about it. I'm quite interested in France myself (my mum's a French teacher) and have several French friends (my school had a lot of European immigrants' children), I'm definitely not opposed to French people coming here. I'm just wondering if lycees are always helpful for integration. (Yes, I'm Gen Z- I know people will want to know why I'm on MN : I came for GC issues and stayed for the rest).

Generally we emphasise that it's important for immigrants to integrate with the existing population as much as possible. Lycees give French immigrants' children an education that follows the French curriculum, and I understand from what I've read are generally now composed of almost solely French children, though I understand the pupil cohort used to be more mixed in the past and maybe included more British children. If you grow up in a mainly French immigrant community and go to a lycee with mainly other French immigrant kids, how integrated will you be into the mainstream British population?
Generally when we talk about integration we focus on immigrant groups where sections are involved in crime or who mainly low-skilled. French immigrants are generally neither, so the lycee system isn't much remarked on. While I agree it's not a major concern, I still think it's worthy of comment.

We don't (I think) have lots of similar schools worldwide for the kids of Italian, German, Greek, Spanish, etc immigrants where they learn non-British curriculums. Yes, there are faith schools which sometimes overlap with ethnicity and have different curriculums (though I'd question that too- that topic's not for this thread, though).. I understand that lycees' educational standards are highly regarded & Brits or other immigrant nationalities sometimes send their kids there for that reason, esp since some run a parallel English curriculum(though as I said, the number of non-French pupils is much less now).

Still, I wonder how positive it is to have them if they're increasingly becoming nearly wholly French, and often used by families who are constantly on the move so that their kids can easily switch between lycees?

TLDR : AIBU to wonder if lycees may hinder integration of French immigrant kids if they now teach a French curriculum under the auspices of the French government to mainly French immigrant pupils who live generally in French immigrant-dominated areas? I'm definitely not saying they should be banned or anything, especially as UK state schools are generally bad at the moment..maybe there should be a push for a more mixed pupil cohort though?

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Dolamroth · 11/11/2025 19:07

Usually the children of expats- by that I mean people from France working on a contract who will eventually go back/elsewhere eg diplomats, foreign companies like Michelin. I live in Central Europe, there's a British school in the city where I live where the UK curriculum is taught in English. It's not unique to London. Don't see the problem, the alternative is boarding school back home.

Inchworms · 11/11/2025 19:06

I mean this is just the classic difference between ‘immigrants’ and ‘ex-pats’ isn’t it? Though I’ve never actually researched whether there’s anything more to the difference between those two terms than vaguely colonial/racist stuff - it may be that there is and I just don’t know about it!

Ddakji · 11/11/2025 19:01

CraftyNavySeal · 11/11/2025 18:59

Pretty sure you don’t have to be French to attend but you will be taught in French to the French curriculum.

Same way there are British schools all over the world largely attended by non British children. My Irish family abroad sent their kids to British international schools 🤷‍♀️

Presumably they sent them to English-speaking international schools, which are, purely in terms of numbers, more likely to be British or American than Irish?

bumchic · 11/11/2025 19:00

Almost every world capital has a British school and an American school. Makes sense for London which is something like the world city with the 8th largest amt of French people to have a lycée

CraftyNavySeal · 11/11/2025 18:59

Pretty sure you don’t have to be French to attend but you will be taught in French to the French curriculum.

Same way there are British schools all over the world largely attended by non British children. My Irish family abroad sent their kids to British international schools 🤷‍♀️

Ddakji · 11/11/2025 18:56

It’s an interesting point. I would assume that these are children of French people only intending to be here temporarily (eg diplomats) so they want their children educated such that when they return to France there’s continuity. Is the French embassy round there? It rings a vague bell.