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WhaleRiders · 11/11/2025 15:07

Disabled son is nearly 4 but intellectually functions at the level of maybe an 18-month-old. Nonverbal, responds to his name and a few individual words like “eat” but that’s it.

He is incredibly hyperactive and from the moment he wakes up is running around screaming continuously in either joy or anger, pulling things off shelves, melting down and kicking and biting.

Now he is also constantly attacking his sister, who is 6 months old. I of course prevent him from getting within reach of her as much as possible but he still manages to slap, kick, bite, hit her with a weapon of some kind at least once a day, often more. When he can’t reach her he just screams as loudly as he can as close to her as he can, which makes her cry.

She is obviously terrified in her own home. She flinches when she hears him coming down the hall. She often preemptively starts crying when she sees him.

I am losing my mind with guilt and worry over the long and short term harm this is doing to her. What can I do?

Our home is tiny (2 small bedrooms, tiny kitchen and bathroom) and there’s no garden or anything so it’s hard to keep them apart.

He sometimes seems amused by being told off, but mostly doesn’t seem to even notice. I’ve tried ignoring it too but that also doesn’t work.

Ive tried shutting him in his room for a few minutes but he then becomes hysterical which is awful and just doesn’t help.

What can I do? I have no doubt he would actually kill her if they were ever alone together for even a few minutes, but of course I’m careful that never happens.

OP posts:
x2boys · 11/11/2025 21:05

Serendipity0 · 11/11/2025 20:21

@WhaleRiders I'm so sorry this must be incredibly hard for you. 💐💜 I don't think he needs removing from the home as other posters have said, thats unrealistic and cruel. What you ideally need is a carer coming in daily to help with your son so that you can keep your daughter separate from him. If you ring social services and explain that your daughter is in danger you might be able to get a care assessment? If that's not possible would going back to work any earlier be an option so your daughter could start nursery soon? X

Edited

Sadly she's unlikely toget much if any respite at this stage
Certainly not daily
Thi is might well calm down though once he's starts school and is in a regular setting.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 11/11/2025 20:41

Suusue · 11/11/2025 20:29

Iv just read your post again. This is doing untold damage to your poor baby. Her life should be happy and safe with nothing to concern her. I know hes your son. I know its not his fault but her life ahould not be ruined by him. This will continue too. Get him into care. Sounds brutal but your baby is in danger and suffering badly.

You can't just put him in care, that's not how it works, putting her DS in care will most likely lead to a life full of physical violence, mental and sexual abuse, once you surrender your disabled DC, that's it.
Do you think a non biological parent would be more patient? Carers?
There isn't a magical place to send disabled DC.
Not suggesting that her DD should suffer either, I'd invest in a padded room with a gate on the door for respite! Reach out to any service available, including volunteers, take any opportunity.
Just to add my friends little boy was similar, he has prada syndrome too , he's huge, ASD non verbal, he's learning to be very loving towards his big sister, with supervision, she has a bouncy set up in her living room.
Edit... Holy shit , 6 months old.
Buy a baby gate and door lock.

Suusue · 11/11/2025 20:29

Iv just read your post again. This is doing untold damage to your poor baby. Her life should be happy and safe with nothing to concern her. I know hes your son. I know its not his fault but her life ahould not be ruined by him. This will continue too. Get him into care. Sounds brutal but your baby is in danger and suffering badly.

Suusue · 11/11/2025 20:25

Im really sorry but you cannot allow him near the baby. Can you get social services involved? This will drive you into the ground if you dont get sonething done. I hate to say this but maybe he should be removed from the house to protect the baby?

Serendipity0 · 11/11/2025 20:21

@WhaleRiders I'm so sorry this must be incredibly hard for you. 💐💜 I don't think he needs removing from the home as other posters have said, thats unrealistic and cruel. What you ideally need is a carer coming in daily to help with your son so that you can keep your daughter separate from him. If you ring social services and explain that your daughter is in danger you might be able to get a care assessment? If that's not possible would going back to work any earlier be an option so your daughter could start nursery soon? X

Radiatelikethis · 11/11/2025 20:20

Radiatelikethis · 11/11/2025 20:06

This sounds absolutely horrendous OP and I've not really any advice having never been in a situation myself. But I do think people on here need to calm down a bit and take a step back.

The child here is four and the OPs child who despite all his difficulties, she will love just as much as her baby. I can imagine despite everything going on, I highly doubt the OP wants to be phoning up SS and demanding he be removed. And anyway working in social services myself, a child being removed is an absolute last resort and work will always be done to try and keep families together. And this isn't some older child or teenager we are taking about, but a four year old who has their own difficulties and is still developing and processing their own emotions through change.

Please do reach out OP though to your health visitor, GP and anyone for external support. You don't need to suffer this alone.

Can't imagine I should have said!

I think people need to take on board as well that there are two young children we are talking about here, both of whom are vulnerable. Yes of course the baby needs to be kept safe and abuse is never acceptable but this is a young child we are talking about here.

You cannot just phone up social services and demand your four year old be taken into care when there's been an absolutely no other interventions or support put in place. Social services need to consider the needs of BOTH children. While of course the baby needs to be kept the safe, it would be massively traumatising to the four year old to just be ripped apart from their family. These children and family need to be supported not punished.

Of course there's times when children need to be removed for other family members safety. But that is a last resort when all other methods have failed.

I really hope you can get some support OP, I can't imagine what you're going through.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 11/11/2025 20:11

It is very difficult, keep reinforcing even while there is little understanding.
Mine get along now. DS took over her life when he was born, up until he was 6 or 7, they occasionally sit together now, as a result I had to split myself in two for many years, use a feather etc to teach nice touch, gentle touch, it's harder when he doesn't have the understanding.
Make sure you carve out 1on1 time with DD.
My DD is still very shy. It did impact her.

Radiatelikethis · 11/11/2025 20:06

This sounds absolutely horrendous OP and I've not really any advice having never been in a situation myself. But I do think people on here need to calm down a bit and take a step back.

The child here is four and the OPs child who despite all his difficulties, she will love just as much as her baby. I can imagine despite everything going on, I highly doubt the OP wants to be phoning up SS and demanding he be removed. And anyway working in social services myself, a child being removed is an absolute last resort and work will always be done to try and keep families together. And this isn't some older child or teenager we are taking about, but a four year old who has their own difficulties and is still developing and processing their own emotions through change.

Please do reach out OP though to your health visitor, GP and anyone for external support. You don't need to suffer this alone.

x2boys · 11/11/2025 20:02

Whichone2024 · 11/11/2025 17:40

I think if you contact your local council they can give you information on residential care and help you with seeking assessment. I know there are some that take from 4.
they provide more one to one support to meet needs that understandably can’t be provided in the home. I know it will be a worrying thought but it may be for the best and may not be forever.
my nephew ended up in residential care because of his high needs and he’s so happy all the time there and can visit anytime.

I dont even know where to begin
He's four
You cant just phone the council up and ask for a residential place ,it just doesn't work like that .

lostintranslation148 · 11/11/2025 20:01

Nkkjsww · 11/11/2025 18:57

Has he ever shown a single morsel of love and affection towards her?

Love is a very abstract concept and affection might be shown by him in a way that others wouldn't recognise. Him not being loving and affectionate to her really isn't relevant IMO. To him she might just be a something that makes lots of noise and takes mummies attention away from him. He's not going to understand that he's hurting her, he doesn't understand that he's being told off and he's very much in his own little world by the sounds of it.

OP this sounds so tricky but i think you're going to have to keep bubs close all the time and carry her at all times. Rather than telling him off I'd go with trying to teach him 'gentle hands' - could you try with a teddy bear or doll? modelling and talking through being gentle - if his understanding is at 18 months he may be able to pick it up with enough repetition.

I'd also get them out and about as much as you can as it sounds like he has a lot of energy - it must be hard with no garden, is there somewhere you can go? I would avoid punishing him/shutting him in his room, he needs to feel safe or his behaviour will be worse - just as you wouldn't punish an 18 month and instead treat him like a child that age - redirect. model behaviour and repeat instructions like a broken record.

Is he sensory seeking OP do you think? It might be why he likes to make her cry. Does he like music? Do you have any sensory lights? Do you have anything that he is allowed to throw around that you can redirect him to? Good luck OP, I hope things get easier as he gets older, he really should be getting more nursery than 3 mornings - quite shocking that that is not available to people who so desperately need it.

JLou08 · 11/11/2025 19:58

Contact Children's Social Care for an assessment from the Children with Disabilities Team. They should be able to support with strategies, they may also be able to provide a care package so there's an extra pair of hands sometimes to manage the risk or respite outside the home.
Do not request section 20. Do not believe comments saying he will always be aggressive. Hitting siblings is pretty typical for an 18 month old, it's just more risky here because your child's chronological age is more than double his development age so he is bigger and more of a risk. With the right support this behaviour is likely to change.

x2boys · 11/11/2025 19:57

CompetentChaos · 11/11/2025 16:34

Nothing ignorant about it. Someone needs to step in professionally before something awful happens, it already is really. The baby’s safety has to come first.

What do you think will happen?

x2boys · 11/11/2025 19:55

Bagsintheboot · 11/11/2025 15:54

The problem with all the tinkering around the edges with stairgates, trying to keeping them separate, taking away hard toys (as though it's impossible to harm someone with a cloth book or a fuzzy ball - a baby could very easily be suffocated with one) is that none of them are long-term solutions.

If / when these fail and the sister is seriously hurt or worse, then OP and her partner are the ones who will be up in front of SS trying to justify why they couldn't safeguard their daughter, with the possible end result of the removal of both children, assuming both children are still alive.

Locking him in a room isn't a solution either.

OP and partner need to start things in motion to remove him from the home, even temporarily, while professional help is sought. It seems drastic I know, but this is a drastic situation.

And how do you imagine that might hapoen🤔

x2boys · 11/11/2025 19:52

Nearly50omg · 11/11/2025 15:37

Personally I would tell
social services I can’t cope with him and need him removing from my home for everyone’s safety

Yeah you csnt just do that.

x2boys · 11/11/2025 19:51

Bagsintheboot · 11/11/2025 15:30

The problem with this is that it's all predicated on him staying small. As he gets bigger this won't work.

He's going to grow, as will his sister. It will become increasingly difficult to keep them apart when they're both mobile.

It is better to get help now rather than wait until it's too late and his sister ends up seriously injured or worse.

You have no idea how he's going to be when he gets bigger
Some children do calm down alot.

x2boys · 11/11/2025 19:49

WhaleRiders · 11/11/2025 18:42

I don’t think we would have if he’d been like this when I got pregnant. He was a bit hyper then but not anything like now, and also far less violent. He did always have meltdowns but they were fairly contained.

He's very young i have a non verbal severely autistic teens have more understanding than a lot of posters
Whose he been referred to ?
Is under portage ,paediatric learning disability, team,etc?
A lot of the behaviour will ve because he frustrated and can't communicate
What's happening with school ,does he have an EHCP in place ?
Have you looked at your local offer ,?
Meeting families of children with similar disabilities to my son helped me .

Hundies100 · 11/11/2025 19:43

JingleBongle · 11/11/2025 18:30

I’m surprised you even had a second baby op. This is a huge problem.

Shameful and do the math.

x2boys · 11/11/2025 19:42

Bagsintheboot · 11/11/2025 15:21

If he is putting your daughter's life at risk then sadly he needs removing from the home. This is only likely to get worse as he gets bigger and stronger, sadly.

Write down all the incidents and keep a log. Take it to your GP and explain that he is a danger to your other child and they cannot safely live together. Ask the GP to make an urgent referral to SS because there is a high risk of him killing your daughter.

Seek a voluntary care order under Section 20 because he is beyond parental control and is a danger to the baby.

He's a disabled 4 year old 🙄🙄

Catsbreakfast · 11/11/2025 19:37

CareerChange24 · 11/11/2025 18:33

It’s abuse with an excuse.
So very sorry that happened to you.

I’m so sorry that the adults have let you down like this. This is exactly why there needs to be more protection, even if some don’t want to accept it.

Catsbreakfast · 11/11/2025 19:35

Ticklyoctopus · 11/11/2025 15:48

Agree. That poster’s head is firmly in the clouds

So many posters in here are happy to have an innocent girl grow up in fear and with risk for her life just to spare an inconvenience to a boy. Disability or not. Crazy.

Muffsies · 11/11/2025 19:09

Allswellthatendswelll · 11/11/2025 19:02

OP I just wanted to say you've been so thoughtful in your responses considering there are some really unhelpful comments on this thread and I hope you get the support you need.

Seconded.

Allswellthatendswelll · 11/11/2025 19:02

WhaleRiders · 11/11/2025 18:11

Thank you to all who have taken the time to reply. I’m working my way through everything!

OP I just wanted to say you've been so thoughtful in your responses considering there are some really unhelpful comments on this thread and I hope you get the support you need.

Nkkjsww · 11/11/2025 18:57

Has he ever shown a single morsel of love and affection towards her?

CommanderTaggart · 11/11/2025 18:55

Don’t despair OP, some posters here are jumping to unfounded conclusions saying he’ll have to go i to foster care etc etc.

It could well (and is most likely is) a stage he is going through and the quicker you can help him through it, the better.

Contact social services, ask for support from the disability team. Ask about PBIS support (positive behaviour interventions and support), sometimes this service is offered by the NHS, other times Social Services (possibly jointly with NHS?).

In the meantime, just keep trying to keep them apart: your husband and you in separate rooms with each child. I agree with you that locking your son in his room is not a solution. If you need to pay for a ‘babysitter’ (a student?) to watch the baby before your husband comes home, while you’re with your son, that could be a temporary option.

Allseeingallknowing · 11/11/2025 18:55

WhaleRiders · 11/11/2025 17:53

Thank you for this very thoughtful post. This is the kind of practical advice I need. I’m actually not in England so not all of this will apply, but there may be alternatives to children’s centres etc here. You are so right about just needing to find out about support. That’s been the hardest thing.

He is under the care of various specialists including a paediatrician and a geneticist as well as of course his health visitor, but they’re not great at signposting us to relevant support. When we have asked their suggestions seem pretty random. Online I have struggled to find local disability groups that aren’t focused on autism. There is some overlap but he is not autistic.

He has had support in the past from an NHS physio and a speech therapist but they were pretty useless to be honest, which has left me feeling a bit pessimistic about the help available.

Perhaps you need to emphasise to the specialists how desperate your situation is, and your fears for your baby. That might stir them into action.