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To think feminism’s biggest blind spot is female entitlement?

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FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 13:53

We talk about male privilege all the time but we rarely look at the ways women leverage social sympathy. AIBU to think equality means accountability too, even when it’s uncomfortable?

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Brefugee · 11/11/2025 16:01

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 13:59

Things like expecting emotional leniency because we’re women or using vulnerability to deflect responsibility. For example, when women make poor choices in relationships or workplaces but frame it as something ‘done to’ them rather than something they also contributed to. It’s not about blaming, just about holding both genders to the same standard of self-awareness.

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if that's what you think feminism is you need to think again.

Stupid question in the OP, in that case. Since you don't apparently know what feminism is.

ThatChristmasMug · 11/11/2025 16:00

Naunet · 11/11/2025 15:53

Try demonstrating it then. Big generalisations about any group, doesn't scream intelligence.

oh the irony...

Sharptonguedwoman · 11/11/2025 15:55

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 11/11/2025 14:12

My example would be exclusion from military service if there is conscription during a war.

fwiw, I think the biggest blind spot of feminism is white feminism.

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What on earth have you been reading and who by? Speaking as an older white feminist, this sort of argument makes me cross. Women have struggled throughout my life to be taken seriously in financial matters and in employment. Many of their ideas have been stolen by men and the contribution of the woman quietly forgotten.
Just have a proper look at what women did in both world wars including spying and espionage.
No, currently women don't fight on the battlefield but we have a massive contribution to make. Good grief. Oh and sex not gender.

nomas · 11/11/2025 15:54

JadziaD · 11/11/2025 15:50

Or turning perfectly normal requests/behaviours into words with negative connotations. My favourite being "nagging". Woman asks a man to do the bare minimum in the house, but doesn't want to ask for fear of looking like she's "nagging" him.

Exactly!

Naunet · 11/11/2025 15:53

ThatChristmasMug · 11/11/2025 15:39

I am actually, does that help you?

Try demonstrating it then. Big generalisations about any group, doesn't scream intelligence.

ThatChristmasMug · 11/11/2025 15:52

nomas · 11/11/2025 15:47

Agreed. It's also typical misogynistic and right wing tactics, make words into insults, so that women fear to use them.

I don't fear using any word, can you stop talking for "women" to fit your little narrative? Which was exactly my point earlier.

I love how disagreeing with you or having a different view is just not "misogynistic" but also "right wing" now. 😂

But apart from that it's MEN trying to shut us up and telling us what to do and think, isn't it (maybe you are a man, how would I know after all, it's an anonymous forum)

JadziaD · 11/11/2025 15:50

nomas · 11/11/2025 15:47

Agreed. It's also typical misogynistic and right wing tactics, make words into insults, so that women fear to use them.

Or turning perfectly normal requests/behaviours into words with negative connotations. My favourite being "nagging". Woman asks a man to do the bare minimum in the house, but doesn't want to ask for fear of looking like she's "nagging" him.

nomas · 11/11/2025 15:47

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 11/11/2025 15:44

So how many posters on the thread so far have mentioned the patriarchy, apart from you?

Agreed. It's also typical misogynistic and right wing tactics, make words into insults, so that women fear to use them.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 11/11/2025 15:44

ThatChristmasMug · 11/11/2025 15:39

I am actually, does that help you?

So how many posters on the thread so far have mentioned the patriarchy, apart from you?

nomas · 11/11/2025 15:43

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 14:28

Things like expecting emotional labour from men without recognising it as a two-way street or assuming our feelings automatically take priority in an argument because we’re the more ‘sensitive’ gender. It’s not about blaming women, just noticing where social sympathy sometimes turns into double standards.

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If that's true, why do married men live longer than single men, yet single women live longer than married women?

SkipAd · 11/11/2025 15:40

TerrierSlave · 11/11/2025 15:08

Which isn't even true, of course. Women criticise women all the time. But when 98 per cent of all sex crimes and the majority of violent crimes are carried out by men, it's only natural that we feminists spend more time talking about the problems caused by men!

Of course it’s not true. I was honestly trying to understand what the OP was trying to say.

ThatChristmasMug · 11/11/2025 15:39

Summerhillsquare · 11/11/2025 15:20

Well aren't you clever?!

I am actually, does that help you?

Dancingwithweasels · 11/11/2025 15:35

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 11/11/2025 15:09

I can translate for you. What the OP is trying to say is that feminism is shit and women are nasty.

He's just struggling to find his words at the moment.

Thank you. I doubt that’s all he’s struggling with

JadziaD · 11/11/2025 15:34

Even though I mostly intrinsically disagree with OP I do have one example. But while it's an example he might use, I still don't think it's a good one becuase of reasons I will explain:

DS works as an exercise instructor. Most of his clients are women. Sometimes, they say things that, if a man said them, would be hugely inappropriate, sexual harassment etc. I think that's the kind of thing OP might want to use as an example of his "female entitlement".

But even if he did, I wouldn't agree for two reasons: 1. I certainly think those sorts of comments are very inappropriate and if I heard a woman say them, I would call her out 2. A woman's inappropraite comment doesn't usually come with a corresponding ability to physically overpower a man. Having said that, one of the reasons I think these comments are inappropriate are because DH might struggle to complain about them as these women are clients and the gym would most likely be inclined to want to keep them sweet. But then, that goes back to my point number 1 above.

Many years ago, I worked in a big City firm. One of the senior people was a very attractive man. I came back from a meeting one day to discover the (all female) team had printed out a picture of him and stuck it on the wall to enjoy. I immediately took the picture down. Yes, they were not in a position of power over him, but it was deeply inappropriate and I reminded them that if one of the male team had done that with an attractive female boss, it would have been considered very bad.

So while it does happen, I don't think that makes it okay and most of us would agre.

Summerhillsquare · 11/11/2025 15:20

ThatChristmasMug · 11/11/2025 14:18

You are on MN, your thread will attract all the posters with their "but it's all because of the PATRIARCHY" and everything and anything must be blamed on the PATRIARCHY. No accountably whatsoever. Female entitlement could only be blamed on the PATRIARCHY

Which I find quite insulting, some of us have some basic intelligence and free will, and are not just moulded by centuries of patriarchy and unable to have an original thought, or free will.

Some of us have reach equality before others I guess.

Well aren't you clever?!

hardstareglare · 11/11/2025 15:20

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 15:03

That’s an awful and completely different situation to what I meant. I was talking more about everyday disagreements or social interactions, not abusive dynamics. In your case, what you describe isn’t about emotions at all, it’s about control and violence, which is never okay.

So not when a guy argues but is abusive then. OK

What about when men talk over me or completely ignore other women when they are debating or arguing about something? I’ve seen this loads.

Is that what you mean?

5128gap · 11/11/2025 15:13

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 14:37

I’ll own that one. I’ve definitely had moments in past jobs where I vented about a colleague being ‘difficult’ without really reflecting on how my own tone or approach might’ve contributed to the tension. It’s easier to frame it as something that happened to me rather than something I played a part in. That’s all I mean - not that women never reflect, just that we all sometimes default to self-protection before self-awareness.

Well yes. Its human nature to think in a situation of conflict we are right and the other person is not. Otherwise it wouldn't be a conflict, would it? And yes, self reflection is a good trait.
However I actually asked you for an example where you 'as a woman' failed to do this when a man would have done so. Because the comparator is all important. Without it you're simply describing an aspect of human behaviour, not one specific to women.

mcmuffin22 · 11/11/2025 15:13

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 14:37

I’ll own that one. I’ve definitely had moments in past jobs where I vented about a colleague being ‘difficult’ without really reflecting on how my own tone or approach might’ve contributed to the tension. It’s easier to frame it as something that happened to me rather than something I played a part in. That’s all I mean - not that women never reflect, just that we all sometimes default to self-protection before self-awareness.

Why do you think this is anything to do with feminism or all women though? This is iljust a pattern of behaviour that any man or woman could fall into. I don't think you understand Feminism at all.

Thatsalineallright · 11/11/2025 15:12

I think we're all waiting for an actual example. Something along the lines of: John and Mary are at the office. John says/does X. Mary says/does Y. The response is Z.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 11/11/2025 15:09

Dancingwithweasels · 11/11/2025 15:00

That’s eleven posts you e written now and I still haven’t a bloody clue what you’re trying to say

I can translate for you. What the OP is trying to say is that feminism is shit and women are nasty.

He's just struggling to find his words at the moment.

QuenchedSquirrel · 11/11/2025 15:09

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 14:28

Things like expecting emotional labour from men without recognising it as a two-way street or assuming our feelings automatically take priority in an argument because we’re the more ‘sensitive’ gender. It’s not about blaming women, just noticing where social sympathy sometimes turns into double standards.

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No woman I've ever come across in my life has believed that females are the more sensitive of the sexes.

Plenty of men seem to believe this, though.

🤔

TerrierSlave · 11/11/2025 15:08

SkipAd · 11/11/2025 15:06

I really don’t get what you’re trying to say?

Feminism doesn’t work because women don’t criticise themselves, is that it?

Which isn't even true, of course. Women criticise women all the time. But when 98 per cent of all sex crimes and the majority of violent crimes are carried out by men, it's only natural that we feminists spend more time talking about the problems caused by men!

SkipAd · 11/11/2025 15:06

I really don’t get what you’re trying to say?

Feminism doesn’t work because women don’t criticise themselves, is that it?

TerrierSlave · 11/11/2025 15:05

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 15:03

That’s an awful and completely different situation to what I meant. I was talking more about everyday disagreements or social interactions, not abusive dynamics. In your case, what you describe isn’t about emotions at all, it’s about control and violence, which is never okay.

Of course, it's about emotions. Anger is an emotion. Control is a tool many people use to manage their emotions.

ErrolTheDragon · 11/11/2025 15:04

Swiftie1878 · 11/11/2025 15:00

I think the opposite. Women are socially programmed to constantly self-reflect and take on responsibility for things that aren’t their doing. We find ourselves constantly apologising for simply taking up space. I know this because I have to check myself on it regularly! 😂

typo

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Yes, that accords more with what I’ve observed than the OPs assertion.