to say the BBC might be imperfect but

Mumsnet is much more trustworthy than the BBC on women's rights.

There are way more options than just those these days - and it's surpsing how coverage on which subjects and how covered varies between news producers - it's honestly quite eye opening.

I don't think anyone's saying all the BBC news output is false but they've had a massive blow to their credblity and have been shockingly slow to address concerns which has further damaged them.

Certainly since covid they've stopped being main source of news for me and gone to one of several sources - which is probably much better TBH - but that happen because they lost some trust - which they've just done again - and at some point if they continue to damage trust they'll stop being a source of news at all for more and more people - making their already difficult position untenable.

I take them all with a pinch of salt, even the BBC. I find Al Jezeera to be the most balanced overall.

Will continue to believe the BBC over GB News and the DM!

No, some individuals within the BBC made bad decisions.

This is just it.

Any story the BBC has now, we should all wonder, is this really true?

We should all wonder what stories they are not telling, and why.

The less we know personally about a topic, the less we should trust them, because we won't have the tools to tell when they are being manipulative.

They have really fucked themselves.

Yes, this.

Had they taken appropriate steps, it would have bene one thing.

Instead they sat on it, tried to cover it up, and apparently thought that everything they had been doing was just fine.

They were totally unrepentant and had the Telegraph not broke the story, would be carrying on now with all the same crap.

It’s hardly expedited! Panorama aired over a year ago, Newsnight three years.

The report was sent to the board only becuase the standards advisor felt the relevant committee had sat on it.

Then when it leaked the board said nothing for a week.

The DG and head of news then quit. I guess that’s good? But as far as we know noone gone at Panorama, Newsnight, BBC Verify, BBC Arabic, or the LBGTQ+ news team, who are actually implicated.

And, per the leaked staff call, who do the staff want to go? Robbie Gibb, ie the board member who (apparently) brought this to a head. Pushing out the whistleblower, effectively, the one board member who was demonstrably not group-thinking in response to a crisis caused by group-think.

You are right. Moreover, the recent events demonstrate that the BBC is capable of dealing with bad apples in an expedite manner. We can't expect for it to be perfect all the time but to have a system of checks and balances that ensure its impartiality is great. What they did with Trump's speech was wrong and I am pleased that they they got rid from someone at the top level and not just a midlevel scapegoat.

I hate that anyone is making Trump look like some sort of victim, but he WAS taken through an impeachment that tried to state he started an insurrection. And another whistleblower has come forward to say that apparently Newsnight also ran a spliced recording of that same speech, and were called out on it live at the time, and again, nothing was done. I'd say he has every right to sue them if he so wishes.

I don't think Trump is ever particularly reluctant to threaten legal action, seems to be one of his preferred pastimes.

I don’t think DT is the kind of guy to respect humility…

If the BBC had a bit more humility, he probably wouldn’t have been pulling his crap in the first place (by threatening to sue).

YABVU.

I wouldn't believe anything the BBC says anymore, they are just a dangerous propaganda outfit now. Just because something has been around for a long time, doesn't mean it should be kept "for old times' sake". It's a complete failed and defunct institution and should be turned into a subscription-only entity and those that want to watch its output can pay for it rather than forcing everyone else to subsidise their bias.

It’s how they’ve dealt with it before it came out as well. As @Chersfrozenfacesaid, the report would probably have never seen the light of day had it not been leaked to the Telegraph.

They clearly think they have done nothing wrong judging by what they’ve said since it came out. And to be frank, others on the left such as Ed Davey are as bad. They’re so consumed by their hatred of Donald Trump they think that what happened with the Panorama footage should be overlooked for ‘the greater good’. The arrogance is astonishing.

Yes, and they are now being utterly dishonest in their reporting of their bias and utter dishonesty.

At least they are consistent I suppose but they are making a very strong case for a radical overhaul/removal of licence fee money.

It's not just the Trump story though.

The bias for Trans and ignoring of biological women's real concerns with men in women's spaces. The BBC are captured by the Trans ideology.

The reporting of news from Gaza. Rush to get stories out then find incorrect and so have to issue corrections. They can't even be bothered to call terrorists 'terrorists'.

The BBC are not neutral at all.

"mistakes" is doing a lot of heavy lifting, even for a minimisation technique.

I repost what I said on another thread:

"Lol mistakes? Mistake is mislaying your car keys, accidentally pouring orange juice instead of milk in your coffee, or an organisation's IT dept making a coding mistake and accidentally deleting their website.

The BBC made a deliberate decision, a deliberate intentional action to manipulate and edit speeches, and to not cover the most important medical scandal since Thalidomide or Agent Orange.

This BBC didn't make 'mistakes'. They made deliberate decisions. Stop trying to minimise what they did. These were no mistakes!"

The problem isn't just how the BBC dealt with the memo and its contents when it came out, it's also how it dealt with all along.

The memo was sent in mid May. In June Michael Prescott left the BBC and later sent it to all board members along with a covering letter stating his “despair” at being ignored by senior news leaders.

The BBC had sat on the memo and were ignoring it until it was leaked to and published by the Telegraph.

The problem is how the BBC dealt with it, when it came out. That's why two heads (so far) have rolled. They were on the back foot for days, and let the story get away from them.

Sarcasm.
A handful of mistakes by a small number of personnel and decades of great public service tv are being forgotten.

The outrage about the Trump documentary is nuts. The editor was obviously an idiot. You don’t need to give that person any rope to hang himself, his deeds and words speak for themselves.

This is me too. I’m very torn on this issue; up until about five year ago I’d have defended the BBC to the hilt, but it’s getting harder and harder to do so when even seemingly innocuous content is now so clearly agenda-driven. Aside from the shitshow that is the newsroom, they even manage to shoe-horn progressive identity politics into things like ‘Escape to the Country’, scouring rural areas for the one drag queen or trans person to be interviewed as a ‘typical local person’. It’s just exhausting.

I’m not one for mainstream entertainment but used to love it during the heyday of more cerebral content on BBC4 and BBC2 (until maybe 7/8 years ago) when there were many outstanding Arts and history programmes that genuinely fed the mind. But that has all largely gone now, with massive dumbing down across the board and barely any quality Arts programmes at all on offer. Also used to be an avid Radio 4 listener but now find it unbearably smug. Still love BBC3 and BBC6 plus the odd interesting podcast on BBC Sounds but am finding myself watching less and less on TV. It’s not being replaced by anything though; I just don’t watch much TV at all.

That said, I’d rather see the BBC be significantly reformed and return to its original Reithian values rather than disappear. The kids’ content alone for me has been worth the licence fee - so grateful that DD is growing up watching CBeebies and CBBC rather than brain addling trash on YouTube and Netflix. And having lived overseas for a while I’m not naive enough to think that the alternatives to a state broadcaster are all that great - market forces mean that there is little quality, informative programming to be found within any solely commercial model.

Yep

I can't really make out what you are trying to say here, but I will point out that the Telegraph, like other newspapers, is meant to print newsworthy stories, exactly like this one. It's what their job is.

I'm not angry, just incredulous that people think that the BBC has been practising anything like acceptable journalism.

No mention of anything related to trans ideology in the BBC news at 10 tonight.