Get Britain Working is totally missing the current employment crisis economy

@Minty25 Most nurses get jobs. I would strongly suggest your DS volunteers. Do something for the cv! What’s his degree in?

Regarding the seasonal fruit picking mentioned up thread: if you take on a seasonal job, you lose your benefits for a period AFTER the job has ended (I think six weeks for some). So it isn’t worth it.

Relatex to that, I know someone who turned down an inheritance that would have cost her twice as much in lost benefits (two disabled children and a single parent, before anyone gets tetchy about voluntarily living on benefits).

I likely will when my current job ends.

Are you doing it?

My two older boys are in reasonable jobs but I worry for my younger two. Youngest ds graduates next year and with the degree he has done is going to find it very hard to find a job, any job. He has really struggled even to get holiday work through his Uni years. DD is doing a Nursing degree and new Nursing graduates can't even get jobs. the job market is dire. I will be out of work myself from march. It's a massive worry.

Influx of African domiciliary care works in our village currently. Presume it's a job that people here don't want to do?

@MidnightMeltdown Universities market to parents. The ones who believe a university education is a must. Like in their day. Except it’s not. Their day was probably 15% to university, not over double that. The jobs haven’t kept pace with demand from grads. Parents need to guide dc. Yes, decisions are made at 16 but A levels aren’t just for university.

FGS. Is that all the Cost of Living Crisis means to you? More propaganda, more lies, more ignoring the lived reality of working class people? All we need to do, as we’ve been told for decades, is be more change positive and take these massages figures and statistics? Eat more shit?

Employment at record high when fewer people are supporting various claimants on the welfare state than ever before?

I could throw stats back, I could direct you to read a few things, I could call out your complete ignorance of reality but you know what, I think the only really appropriate response is ha ha ha ha you’re either lying or playing some kind of ‘entertainment’.

All the young people i know are seriously worried and fucking angry.

I can believe that.
DM has a cleaning company and she has people apply for 8hr a week jobs who have post grad degrees and recent experience in high paid jobs.

Is it a message that schools are giving out - that only academic gifts mean anything?

My DD was friends with all the brightest girls in her year and constantly devalues her own people and thinking-on-her-feet skills, which are actually pretty good.

She thinks none of these are important, compared to a string of A stars.

I had this discussion recently with one of my bosses. We had advertised for positions in our coffee shop and the amount of professionals who had been made redundant who applied was shocking

Even nurses!

Ah always makes me laugh when people say they want to quit a higher paid job to work and "easy" job like retail etc.....

I mean for some it may not be stressful compared to what they previously worked but take into account the following
-moat are part time positions HOWEVER they require you to have FULL availability, and you often only get the rota the week before. So trying to work a second job (which would probably have the same limitations is night on Impossible)
-Also most companies are cutting staff left, right and centre. I think over a year of the 10 staff who have left, only 2 were replaced.
-due to the above you're often expected to work with MINIMUM STAFF. In my shop we are lucky if we even get 3 staff over the busiest period of dinner, and on top of walk in customers we also have online as in just eat and Uber who ate actually have to be prioritised over walk in. And there's only one member of staff responsible for that and for everything else that needs sorting, which usually leaves only one member of staff to serve a continuous queue out of the door
-the general public are a hell of a lot more hostile and unforgiving than previously, and will not hesitate to take it out on you
-oh and we also frequently get our lives threatened and threats of violence if we dare call out anyone for shoplifting (and of we don't call them out we then get abused from paying customers for not doing anything)
-oh and yes you get paid for the half hour after you shut but if it's been stupidly busy you're not clocking out until everything is done and you most likely won't get paid for it if it takes you past your rota finish time
-oh and if any of that drives you to a breakdown and off sick good luck getting SSP which is still currently not paid for the first 3 days and on a 4 day contract means I get paid for one day usually about £30. In other words even if I'm very ill and or suicidal -i still go to work.

So whilst it's not "stressful" in the sense of responsibility and nobody is going to die, trying to deal with all of the above (especially in my case whilst also dealing with severe MH problems that are worsened by stress) it can definitely feel goddamn stressful .

All very well to say that it’s up to young people to decide whether degrees are worth it, but the process of applying for university starts at 16 in most cases. Universities are marketing courses at children, who have very little idea about the world of work. Careers advice also tends to be abysmal.

Yes. I work in the FE sector and many staff are on 0 hours and/or minimum wage, which means that during the summer and other holidays they aren’t paid because the college is shut. But it’s difficult to find alternative work for such a short period that would start and finish at the right times, and almost impossible to set aside money from term-time earnings because day to day costs are so high that there’s nothing left to set aside at the end of the month.

it’s a really precarious way to live, and it’s a travesty because the people affected are really skilled, often highly qualified and trained in niche areas- and as I said in my previous post, echoing someone who mentioned these “non-jobs”, there is a whole swathe of corporate positions which are paid way over the odds compared to anyone whose job actually involves the ‘front line’ of education. I saw an internal ad recently for a SENCO and I did a double-take at the salary: £26,500. For a full time post (Special Educational Needs Coordinator) requiring lots of training and qualifications as well as specific personal skills and qualities. It’s genuinely shocking.

I don't think we are looking for anything particularly rare at all for most jobs. Some of the more senior ones have higher requirements but nothing out of the ordinary. And nothing that we weren't able to recruit to 10 years ago.

As stated earlier, the main problems that we see are around communication skills and general attitudes.

I think the problem is partly wages. It’s not the case that there aren’t jobs, but lots of jobs don’t pay enough for people to cover their expenses.

It was possible to get away with paying previous generations less, as they bought property when houses were cheap, and ended up with little to no mortgage thanks to house price inflation. We now have a generation of people with high mortgage costs who can’t afford to live on 25 or 30k.

It’s essential to use an ATS CV checker to stand a chance of your CV getting through AI screening.

I was made redundant recently, no luck finding a job in the run up, not even an interview. I've taken on a part-time job through a contact from my previous job as a. It pays more than the £500 a month JSA I'd get and b. It keeps me out of the unhelpful nightmare that the Job Centre appears to be. There's also a c. of hours/pay may increase if I'm lucky!

It’s a car crash. The long arm of Covid, Brexit, but mainly privatisation experiment & austerity. Where is the money generated by us - services, products, etc going tho? It’s not being reinvested back into industries and economy. It’s in the hands of shareholders etc. we need to tax the wealthiest in a different way - and as has started, start renationalise the essential services - water, rail, energy etc.

It does make you wonder. And then the people who are in jobs often seem completely incompetent. How do they get and keep their jobs?

Care work. Why would anyone expect a graduate to do care work? It's a skilled role in its own right and you need to be a certain personality type to do it.

I wouldn't do it. I'd have to be completely desperate and I wouldn't last a week. And the poor care home residents, having to be looked after by a bunch of young people who'd rather do anything else but be there.

So where are you based where there are all these jobs? Most young people have had to apply for 100 jobs and don't get a sniff of an interview.

I know someone really well qualified, lots of interests, head girl at school, some really good internships and even she took two years to find a job and had to do a Masters to fill in time after doing some travelling.

Is this because your job descriptions expect so many attributes? Maybe people just can't comply with your requirements?

For example, my son told me today about a graduate level role, supposedly for people right out of university - that wants two years' experience. Now ok you might do a placement as part of your degree. But asking for two years experience for someone right out of university is not generally realistic.

That employer will only get applications from people who may have done a year out before university AND a year as part of their degree. That is going to be quite a small number of people I think. Although those who do apply will be well qualified. But not really entry level.

I can't see how you are not getting people applying unless there is something really rare that you are looking for.

What a doom and gloom post.

Record numbers of people in employment, inc FT.

Immigration is less than 1/2 what it was just 3 years ago, with tighter rules on students, workers etc etc.

All the young people i know are in great jobs, health, engineering, IT & various trades, my partner was a coordinator at a local tech college, employers crying out for their skills.... a local but international defence company recent said that todays year 7 children will be working on projects that have not yet started and they have work for decades.
also heavily involved in schools, getting kids on apprenticeships & to degree level, the city centre has plans for 1000s of new homes, kick started by a international company moving into what was once a dept store.

Of course there are problems exp in housing costs, thats the number 1 issue, but to say this Govt or even the last one don't care is BS.

And who exactly are you going to put in their place? Reform and the Neo-Nazis? The push for employment rights is only a slight beginning at overturning a general deterioration in those rights since the 90s. Pushed by all governments.

It’s not the government that is collapsing, it’s the entire country and it’s cultural choices. I should have added one big cultural choice in my key factors for degeneration - the push for consolidation of wealth into fewer and fewer hands. That’s been called various things on the internet over the last 15 years or so, Americanism, disaster capitalism, late-stage capitalism, or my own choice Neo-imperialism, built on top of a rebirth of that imperial economic theory, neoliberalism. Globalism is part of it. It is causing the same issues now as it did then.