Do you think we should life the two child benefit cap?

Schools in France manage to provide hot meals to all children so that none are hungry in school. That's a better system than child-allowance where the money can be spent on drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, gambling etc. rather than on the children.

The state should focus on solutions that directly positively impact the children in order to break the cycle of poverty.

State-run creches would be a huge investment but are also the most effective way to help children out of poverty.

The human brain is at its most powerful for the first five years of our life which is when children usually start primary school with poor children already 1-2 years behind middle-class children and this disparity grows every year thereafter, resulting in 25% of children (almost all from working-class backgrounds) giving up on their own education by age 11 or 12...

This is a colossal waste of human potential and we all pay much much more for it later as many will be unemployed for decades, have chronic mental health problems, become involved in crime etc.

The child benefit cap should stay and alternative methods found to support children of families in work.
We have to encourage work not benefits!

The unemployment figures are at 5m now.

Who exactly do people think are going to fund the BLOOAATED….welfare state.

We are on the point of an IMF bailout and if that happens there’ll be no discussion because external forces will be dictating what and how much we can spend.
Restructuring and cutbacks will be forced upon us.
We need to reduce immigration and get our NEET’s 16-24yr olds out of bed. We’ve been tooo soft.

I do wonder if there should be some form of conscription to give our young some structure, backbone and a feeling of self worth.

Some lateral thinking is required to help uplift poorer families.
We need to encourage communities to pull together open village halls, help each other not keep chucking taxpayers money about ad lib.

All industrial parks have a landlord /the units are leasehold and as part of planning regulations should be forced to include a nursery on site enabling parents easy drop off.

I can’t even believe that £millions have been sent to Ethiopia to fund training for tax inspectors ….WTAF.

Why are you free to post on here whilst accusing someone else of “having too much time on their hands?” What point are you trying to make - you don’t work!

Why are you free to post on here whilst accusing someone else of “having too much time on their hands?” What point are you trying to make - you don’t work!

In a country of 70 million people, 'some' is a lot of people.

I'm not sure really what your point is anyway other than to insult people and try to belittle them. I work and pay tax but so what if I didn't? You don't work yourself.

Well done for admitting it.

The Venn diagram of people who want to keep the two child cap as a means of stopping poor people from having children and people who are anti-immigration is a near perfect circle. So just who do you want to pay your pension when the time comes?

I am really confused about this. What you describe was true when I was younger and you had to queue up for a special card that allows you to get a FSM. Now in my children's schools nobody can tell who has paid for the mean and who hasn't. I don't know why all schools don't implement a similar scheme.

Yes they are for some.

I personally do 3 long shifts, 2 days off... rinse, repeat... one daughter is self employed, picks her hours - usually after 3pm (tutoring). The other is a teacher doing 6 days a week (indy school)

Absolutely, definitely just lazy. Not an autonomous individual that owns a profitable business and can choose their own working hours.

It's ironic really because obviously those that are going to be least in favour of lifting the cap are those that are paying for it. It is highly likely that these people work and pay a lot of tax. I find it weird that some on this thread are suggesting the opposite.

Personally I would like to see children on FSMs allowed free access to after school extracurricular clubs and activities
Genuinely curious about why. I always considered these a luxury not a need.

I agree with some of it, to an extent. You can get good second hand clothes on Vinted nowadays.

Sadly, if you provide families on very low income the same 'luxuries' than those that people working stressful and longer hours are proud to be able to give their children, you take away the incentive to do so.

Its a hard line to try not to penalise anyone.

No they're not. Are you all unemployed then?

You know that “cut the credit cards up” type reasoning and so-called austerity is partly what has got us into the mess we’re in?

It’s been proved not to work.

I think this is a reflection of the general attitude on this thread, and more widely, that being poor is some sort of character deficit that can be punished out of people.

Or they own their own business? You know, people that are actually growing the economy. Sorry it's not the gotcha you were hoping....

I won't ask why you on this forum at this time of day.

No, the cap should remain. I would prefer to see greater support for disabled people, not people having multiple children.

Oh sorry, I thought all the people on this thread who don't want the cap lifted are employed and must have jobs where posting on forums all morning is acceptable.

Lol, the days of 9-5 Mon to Fri are lonnnnnng gone.