Do you think we should life the two child benefit cap?

No I think its works as a form of detterant. CB isn't a lot of money so I doubt it will life many out of poverty. Life is expensive and if you choose to have my than 2 DC you need to consider money!

Can you not see that this is punishing the children, not the parents? How do you feel this will help?

There is a much much easier way of not having children be in poverty. It just seems that for some reason it's a bad thing to suggest it 🤣

There is a much much easier way of not having children be in poverty. It just seems that for some reason it's a bad thing to suggest it 🤣

Private pensions also rely on the current workforce to fund them. So anybody wanting to rely on their private pension in, say, 20 years' time will need plenty of younger people paying into private pensions then to ensure there is money in the pot.

CB has never had a 2 child limit. This is about the UC child element which is limited to 2 children.

No I think its works as a form of detterant. CB isn't a lot of money so I doubt it will life many out of poverty. Life is expensive and if you choose to have my than 2 DC you need to consider money!

No I think its works as a form of detterant. CB isn't a lot of money so I doubt it will life many out of poverty. Life is expensive and if you choose to have my than 2 DC you need to consider money!

No I think its works as a form of detterant. CB isn't a lot of money so I doubt it will life many out of poverty. Life is expensive and if you choose to have my than 2 DC you need to consider money!

But then there's carer's allowance (or carer's element of UC) plus the disabled child element of UC (which is not pennies!).

I work and care for my disabled child. I do receive DLA, but my employer does not give my anything extra for either my caring or an additional element of salary for my disabled child.

I don’t want children in poverty, in fact I really really do not want children in poverty.

But handing in many cases feckless and irresponsible parents yet more cash to ‘life them from poverty’ is not the answer. In many cases it won’t be spent on the kids, just more junk food, vapes, nails, tattoos and tat from Home Bargains. When they buy food it’s expensive processed packs of meat and sugary cereals.

Depending on school, a lot of extra curricular activities are free or definitely offered as free to selected students (I recall paying for my son to do football a few years ago with an external provider and was talking to another parent who told me how great it was for them to offer training for free!). Generally my children's school now do all clubs for free, even if it is an external provider. Unfortunately the uptake doesn't always get to the groups that you are thinking of. Same with the HAF schemes. They target certain groups but often these groups for some reason do not access them. More research should be done into why.

My belief is that child benefit should be given as vouchers which are restricted in how they are spent. Yes this is very nanny state, but there is always a perception benefits are spent on alcohol, vales or cigarettes so to me if they were given as a generic supermarket voucher that could be used in any store but only in food items then this would shut up the haters and ensure that all children have a contribution to food.

Good for you that you’re comfortable off, with savings, private pensions etc! You are happy to pay more taxes to increase benefits, but the vast majority of us are not in such a comfortable position.

I absolutely do not want to pay any more in taxes to support families that choose to have more children than they can afford. We purposely limited the number of children so that we can support them financially and emotionally.

Labour promised not to raise our taxes and to cut the huge benefits bill! Let’s see how well they can be trusted???

Can you not see that this is punishing the children, not the parents? How do you feel this will help?

Are they hoping to be off UC in the end and earning enough where they don't need to rely on the taxpayer?

Did they not get alimony or whatever in the divorce?

Can you not see that this is punishing the children, not the parents? How do you feel this will help?

Can you not see that this is punishing the children, not the parents? How do you feel this will help?

How will the benefit cap help?
It saves the country money. You don’t reward bad behaviour. Having multiple kids you can’t afford is bad behaviour.

The obsession is with how other people live. Have you seen the cartoon where a man is sitting with a massive plate of biscuits all to himself and on either side of him are two people. One with two biscuits, one with an empty plate. The man with the big plate says to the one with the empty plate "he's stole your biscuit".

This thread reminds me of this.

Paying tax is not "giving your money away".

I have been in the situation where I was the middle income household who got SFA when people around me were getting, eg, EMA for their children. I then felt that I had to mirror that for mine and it was really difficult.

But, I didn't blame the people who were getting it.

I blamed the Tories and I still do!

Vouchers have actually been proven to work effectively. Look at SNAP in America.

So you want to control what they are eating and what they are wearing because they are poor?
You dont think that's a bit stigmatizing?
Should we tattoo them with "unworthy" as well .?

The obsession is with how other people live. Have you seen the cartoon where a man is sitting with a massive plate of biscuits all to himself and on either side of him are two people. One with two biscuits, one with an empty plate. The man with the big plate says to the one with the empty plate "he's stole your biscuit".

This thread reminds me of this.

Paying tax is not "giving your money away".

I have been in the situation where I was the middle income household who got SFA when people around me were getting, eg, EMA for their children. I then felt that I had to mirror that for mine and it was really difficult.

But, I didn't blame the people who were getting it.

I blamed the Tories and I still do!