Do you think we should life the two child benefit cap?

Leave the cap in place. Working families stop having kids because they can't afford them but still have to pay taxes that are funding other people's kids

Yet I get a pension.

Not read thread but we stopped at two DC as we couldn't afford more even with us both working full-time. I don't think the two children cap should be lifted.

If they’re not working how does it help?

It wasn’t a trial. It was a thing called “section 12 payments”. Some councils tried to make it food vouchers. But it left out things like nappies etc, so was very quickly abandoned as it was taking choice away from the families who needed it.

Pension funds can and do invest internationally! That is they buy equity in companies abroad, so they are not dependent on the population and/or workforce of the UK.

https://ifs.org.uk/articles/economic-consequences-uks-ageing-population

Crib sheet for those not recognising the fiscal disaster that is an ageing population with insufficient young people working to pay for it.

I haven't RTFT but your ideas are crackers.

Labour was elected to reduce child poverty and PPs have quoted the IFS and CPAG who state that lifting the benefit cap is the quickest, easiest and most effective way to lift hundreds of thousands of children out of poverty.

Food banks barely existed under the last Labour government and are a direct result of suppressing wages and drastic cuts under austerity. Yet you are advocating that they should be more of them funded by the taxpayer to have more nutritious food.

There is a prevelant lie that you seem to have bought into, based on your experience rather than data and research, that money given to the poorest is spent on values and fags. Yet we know that money given to poorer families, particularly if the money goes directly to women, that it is spent on children's needs.

We also know that those in the lowest socioeconomic groups are more likely to spend their money than save, because they can buy more and better quality food and it's often still not enough to allow for savings as well.

This matters because that money goes into the economy. Supermarkets find people spending more means they have to hire more staff to manage the increase in demand. This creates the growth that the UK needs. Those staff, who may have been unemployed, then have money to spend and on it goes. It's called the multiplier effect.

The real culprits for child poverty are the Tories.with their austerity cuts and the private sector for paying poverty wages. Look elsewhere for your venom. It should not be pointed at children in poverty.

They don’t depend on a single nation’s working population. And some companies can make more profits by reducing their workforce, especially as technology moves on.

State pensions are directly dependent on the number of people engaged in work and paying tax IN THAT STATE, since they are paid out of the current tax take.

Defined benefit pensions tend to be workplace pensions. Very few are open to new members now.
The vast majority of private pensions are defined contribution and do NOT depend on anything other than the member’s own financial commitment.

State pensions are completely different and are paid out of the current tax take.
These will become unsustainable (already are, really) and won’t last for much further into the future. These government that will need to anniunce this fact is going to be in big trouble, that’s why they keep putting it off.

What about when they need to buy clothes or shoes or birthday or christmas or other presents for their children?

Private pensions DO rely on current workforce to fund them. They invest money in companies and pay returns from profits. Those profits are generated by a workforce producing whatever it is they produce. If its a property company renting out buildings, it relies on people working to earn the money to pay the rent. Even just money left in the bank and earning interest is loaned out to other people, who will be working to pay back the loan.
How exactly did you think pensions are paid? Did you think it's just kept as a big pile of cash in a bank vault and dripped out to you?

They should just cut foreign aid completely then they can lift the 2 child cap and not raise taxes either

And he also promised not to raise taxes but they’ve pretty much said they’re going to anyway in the budget.

Many extra-curricular clubs at school are already free: we don’t charge unless the students need new equipment. However, the funding for fsm/pp students has been drastically chopped. It used to be that we’d paid over £300 per year per child towards trips, this has disappeared this year and we’ve had to say that for non-curriculum based trips, there is no financial assistance available.

Depends on whether it's a defined contribution or defined benefit pension

Why to that post in particular?

What a strange conclusion?

Can you not see that for those of us working hard to keep a roof over our heads this is a huge amount of money being handed to some families?

I'm glad your mask has slipped and revealed your toxic combination of snobbery and jealousy, instead of pretending you give a fuck about the kids.

Depending on the age of the children, the parents may not get benefits for all of them

I actually voted YABU as I thought that to mean we SHOULD NOT pay benefits beyond two children. Perhaps me (and others) voted incorrectly in that case 🤔