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To think that men having standards is now weird

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Pluto5 · 10/11/2025 18:02

I've noticed a change in men. They won't tolerate anything anymore. I've been on dating apps for just over a year and I find that I ignore a lot of red flags, I see potential in men. I usually give them the benefit of the doubt and then end up with egg on my face. I meet a lot of emotionally unavailable men, narcissists, cheats, people with drink or drug problems, ex issues. I find that if I like them enough I'll let bad behaviour slip.

the issue I'm mainly having is I try to change these men, they won't change then I get naggy that my efforts are in vain or ill call
out the disrespect. I've noticed that men are very quick to try and end stuff with you the minute you call them out or have a boundary. Is it just that women are replaceable to men now due to sites like tinder, or is it that they were never invested anyway?

recently have had a man chase me for 6 months, I didn't like him but because he seemed sweet I gave him a chance. Few issues that he didn't mention he had unresolved issues with his ex and he didn't want to rush into a relationship, this triggered me. I start bombarding him with paragraphs about him duping me and he ended it saying he wants someone simple, and without emotional baggage ( my husband died by suicide due to cocaine addiction) I don't feel I have baggage, I just expressed that when he doesn't message me for a long time it triggers me back to being in a relationship with an addict.

what I'm basically asking is if you really liked someone could anything put you off them as with me I'd say no. Im just thinking he couldn't have liked me that much.

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GasperyJacquesRoberts · 11/11/2025 10:13

Pluto5 · 10/11/2025 22:57

Thank you and yes that's pretty much been my experience. I'm just too honest I guess. I thought it was best to get it louy in the open early. The narcissist I dated who actually is a proper narcissist, told me I killed my husband as a joke ( I left him and he took his own life) he would keep saying it claiming it was a joke. How sick can you get. Everything with him was about punishing women as he had some childhood problem with his mum.

I do think maybe I need to sit back a while longer. And I have adhd which makes me crazy so I told the last one I'm crazy and that's when he said he's seen no proof I just need loving. Then at the first sign of conflict branded me as crazy and said I'm beyond help.

I do think you're right though, it's like I'm buying a clapped out Old Ford and trying to turn it into a Porsche 😂 delusional. I just don't get why some people never want to be better people. It amazes me.

But it's YOUR VIEW of what would make them "better people". Who are you to judge? Is your life such an exemplar of emotional health that you are in a good place to offer such opinions - unsolicited opinions, at that - to someone you don't even know that well?

They are under no obligation to agree with you nor does it even mean your opinion is correct in the first place. To look at someone else and decide not only that they should live their life differently to how they're living it, but they they should be grateful for your input is hugely arrogant.

Have you ever read "Codependent No More"? I suggest you do. You might find it helpful.

2GreatFatSquirrels · 10/11/2025 23:19

I think you’re weird and don’t have enough standards tbh. I wouldn’t go on a date with any men with those faults.

5128gap · 10/11/2025 23:16

I'm sorry OP but the men who are ending it are behaving more healthily than you are. Because no, really liking someone isn't enough to progress to a serious relationship with someone if there are issues you're uncomfortable with.
I'm sorry again, but as someone who was in a serious relationship with an adict who died, I'd be amazed if you're not carrying baggage into your new relationships. Because that's a really big deal and leaves scars. In your case one of them may be an idea that men are all flawed and its your job to love them despite that.
I think you'd do better to decide your deal breakers in advance and stick with them regardless of a man's good points.

JHound · 10/11/2025 22:58

Pluto5 · 10/11/2025 19:08

I wasn't dating this man, I kept seeing him on tinder saying he was looking for a long term relationship when in reality all he wanted was sex. He would keep going back to his wife then back on tinder. So I called him out and that's when he said that. I wasn't entertaining him.

Doesn’t change what I said.

Pluto5 · 10/11/2025 22:57

BrokenWingsCantFly · 10/11/2025 22:17

It's sounds like you are purposely going for these red flag types, that would send others running, in the hopes that they will be greatful and stick around forever as you feel they are beneath you, which they more than likely are if they have these faults. But it dont work like that. Shits serial cheats and liers don't change for anybody. They can bag the most amazing desirable woman in the world, their chaotic behaviour and thrill from doing the wrong thing won't be fixed by anybody.

For the best chance of a successful relationship, run soon as you see the red flags. Even if you like them, and they have been nice until that point. You are then off to a head start from the types you are currently looking for.

Also you probably need a lot of time alone 1st to become the healthiest version of you. It does sound like you have a lot of baggage, even though you denied it. Emotional damage you have not quite worked through is baggage. You said that the latest guy mentioned you are not mentally ill because .... why did this conversation come up in such early stages? Did you tell him you are mentally unwell?

In future I would avoid dumping emotional drama on someone so fresh in a relationship. A nice guy in an emotionally sound frame of mind with a secure life will run, as they want someone who is in a better place too for a healthy relationship with no drama (so get to a better place before dating so you can be this person and respect your self too). A guy with negative tendencies will either use your past hurt and emotional baggage to excuse their own shit things they offload on you, or use it to their advantage as they see you as weak easy pickings. Sorry, but it is true. No one, and I mean noone cares about a stranger enough to take you emotional damage stories and feel sorry for you or a deep routed need to care for you. There is no benefit to sharing this with someone you hardly know. Wait until you are in a long term place of security before sharing the past pain

Thank you and yes that's pretty much been my experience. I'm just too honest I guess. I thought it was best to get it louy in the open early. The narcissist I dated who actually is a proper narcissist, told me I killed my husband as a joke ( I left him and he took his own life) he would keep saying it claiming it was a joke. How sick can you get. Everything with him was about punishing women as he had some childhood problem with his mum.

I do think maybe I need to sit back a while longer. And I have adhd which makes me crazy so I told the last one I'm crazy and that's when he said he's seen no proof I just need loving. Then at the first sign of conflict branded me as crazy and said I'm beyond help.

I do think you're right though, it's like I'm buying a clapped out Old Ford and trying to turn it into a Porsche 😂 delusional. I just don't get why some people never want to be better people. It amazes me.

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BrokenWingsCantFly · 10/11/2025 22:17

Pluto5 · 10/11/2025 20:57

maybe I need to work on self esteem. I think I'm very attractive. That's why I'm always shocked when they can bin me off when I'm more attractive, have a better job, nicer car, my own homes etc I find it laughable. They will over look all these qualities if I ask for a simple thing, or ask them to respect a boundary I put in place.

It's sounds like you are purposely going for these red flag types, that would send others running, in the hopes that they will be greatful and stick around forever as you feel they are beneath you, which they more than likely are if they have these faults. But it dont work like that. Shits serial cheats and liers don't change for anybody. They can bag the most amazing desirable woman in the world, their chaotic behaviour and thrill from doing the wrong thing won't be fixed by anybody.

For the best chance of a successful relationship, run soon as you see the red flags. Even if you like them, and they have been nice until that point. You are then off to a head start from the types you are currently looking for.

Also you probably need a lot of time alone 1st to become the healthiest version of you. It does sound like you have a lot of baggage, even though you denied it. Emotional damage you have not quite worked through is baggage. You said that the latest guy mentioned you are not mentally ill because .... why did this conversation come up in such early stages? Did you tell him you are mentally unwell?

In future I would avoid dumping emotional drama on someone so fresh in a relationship. A nice guy in an emotionally sound frame of mind with a secure life will run, as they want someone who is in a better place too for a healthy relationship with no drama (so get to a better place before dating so you can be this person and respect your self too). A guy with negative tendencies will either use your past hurt and emotional baggage to excuse their own shit things they offload on you, or use it to their advantage as they see you as weak easy pickings. Sorry, but it is true. No one, and I mean noone cares about a stranger enough to take you emotional damage stories and feel sorry for you or a deep routed need to care for you. There is no benefit to sharing this with someone you hardly know. Wait until you are in a long term place of security before sharing the past pain

Pluto5 · 10/11/2025 22:03

Overthebow · 10/11/2025 21:34

Those things aren’t as important as personality and comparability though are they. Maybe that’s part of the problem, you think you’re more attractive than them and therefore they should change themselves to be with you.

It's not just about looks it's just the last one I didn't fancy at all, he grew on me as he pretended to be nice for 6 months. Then said he showed his mate a photo of me and his mate said he could do better than me as I look like a school teacher 😂 how that is an insult I'll never know. Seriously annoyed me though as not being big headed I am much more attractive and I dress nice, look clean. He smokes and sells weed as he's out of work through apparently having an operation and can't work. But he's nearly 40 and dresses in tracksuits and man bags.... all my friends think I've lost the plot and I'm starting to agree.

my therapist said because I couldn't save my husband I'm trying to save all these men. It doesn't feel like that but I would like them to just conform to society and be a bit emotionally present

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Sartre · 10/11/2025 21:59

Ok so men don’t generally like being ‘bombarded’ with essay length messages unless they are an academic in the humanities. A little tongue in cheek but I am one and my male colleagues and I often exchange essay length emails. Fairly standard, we’re used to writing lots and don’t mind.

The general male populous though, do not want essays so don’t do that. You’re going wrong because you’re too full on with men who aren’t that into you, sorry to say. If you’re a bit full on with a guy who gets you from the start it’s fine but if they’re on the fence and you’re throwing everything you have his way, of course he’ll run.

Overthebow · 10/11/2025 21:34

Pluto5 · 10/11/2025 20:57

maybe I need to work on self esteem. I think I'm very attractive. That's why I'm always shocked when they can bin me off when I'm more attractive, have a better job, nicer car, my own homes etc I find it laughable. They will over look all these qualities if I ask for a simple thing, or ask them to respect a boundary I put in place.

Those things aren’t as important as personality and comparability though are they. Maybe that’s part of the problem, you think you’re more attractive than them and therefore they should change themselves to be with you.

swingingbytheseat · 10/11/2025 21:10

Your previous relationships all sound like unwell, unavailable men and I’m so sorry for your loss. Turn your love towards yourself & you’ll attract the right sort. A good therapist can help you with that, & picking a therapist is a great place to start practicing self care. I would begin with the BACP directory and see if any therapist profiles feel like a good fit. Write to 3. Turn your energy and attention back to yourself

BadgernTheGarden · 10/11/2025 21:09

The first mistake is using dating sites that's where all the useless men hang out. Can't you meet normal men at work, through hobbies or wherever a dating site would be the last resort.

Isayitasitis · 10/11/2025 21:07

You cannot change anyone.

Only yourself.

Ask yourself why you are chasing emoly unavailable men. I'd look up attachment types and read mr unavailable and the fall back girl.

HighlyUnusual · 10/11/2025 21:04

Pluto5 · 10/11/2025 20:54

I think you're missing the point. I'm talking about serial cheaters, narcissistics, addicts, etc. deadbeats of society. Then they have the audacity to find minor faults with you when you've overlooked massive ones in them.

OP, you are picking men with in your own words massive faults, and then being surprised that they have massive faults; they aren't going to change, you need to stop picking them! and attaching to bad men who can't give you the reassurance and stability you want.

I agree your thinking is way off though about yourself and I think my advice on seeking a therapist still stands.

TheLivelyRose · 10/11/2025 20:59

Pluto5 · 10/11/2025 20:54

I think you're missing the point. I'm talking about serial cheaters, narcissistics, addicts, etc. deadbeats of society. Then they have the audacity to find minor faults with you when you've overlooked massive ones in them.

What do you mean by narcissist? That's just a buzzword now. Everyone is a narcissist these days. True narcissistic personality disorder is extremely rare. You can't just stick a label on somebody.

Also what you mean by deadbeat? If somebody isn't currently working or they've fallen on hard times does that mean there shouldn't have any standards and that they should accept a partner who's previously cheated, or will cheat on them?

If people don't meet your standards, does that mean they should have no standards of their own?

Pluto5 · 10/11/2025 20:57

SleepingStandingUp · 10/11/2025 20:46

Kindly, you should not be dating right now.

Focus on loving yourself, even LIKING yourself cos you wouldn't let yourself be treated like this if you genuinely cared about yourself.

What sort of platonic friends to you attract? Are most of your friends awful to you too?

And no, healthy people don't get overly attached to people who are walking red flags.

maybe I need to work on self esteem. I think I'm very attractive. That's why I'm always shocked when they can bin me off when I'm more attractive, have a better job, nicer car, my own homes etc I find it laughable. They will over look all these qualities if I ask for a simple thing, or ask them to respect a boundary I put in place.

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Pluto5 · 10/11/2025 20:54

TheLivelyRose · 10/11/2025 20:32

I have emotional baggage.I had a difficult childhood.I've had difficult relationships.

My best to move past it.Get a good career gets stability for myself.

Does that mean because I have some red flags and difficulties?I should accept anything in a relationship?

I think you're missing the point. I'm talking about serial cheaters, narcissistics, addicts, etc. deadbeats of society. Then they have the audacity to find minor faults with you when you've overlooked massive ones in them.

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SleepingStandingUp · 10/11/2025 20:46

Pluto5 · 10/11/2025 19:20

Me neither 😂 that's what I'm trying to work out. I was basically asking if anyone else does this if they meet someone they like? I know it's not healthy but can't seem to stop.

their avoidance triggers my anxiety, I feel sick if they pull away even when I know they aren't good for me.

Kindly, you should not be dating right now.

Focus on loving yourself, even LIKING yourself cos you wouldn't let yourself be treated like this if you genuinely cared about yourself.

What sort of platonic friends to you attract? Are most of your friends awful to you too?

And no, healthy people don't get overly attached to people who are walking red flags.

TheLivelyRose · 10/11/2025 20:32

Pluto5 · 10/11/2025 20:27

Thank you, out of all these responses this is what I was basically looking for..😂

im well aware of my issues but it doesn't excuse the men's double standards. They have a list of red flags and general crappy behaviour but they don't seem to want any drama and are very picky considering. I do think it's because people are disposable now.

Maybe that's why I cling on so hard. I'd rather try and work through issues than on to the next

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I have emotional baggage.I had a difficult childhood.I've had difficult relationships.

My best to move past it.Get a good career gets stability for myself.

Does that mean because I have some red flags and difficulties?I should accept anything in a relationship?

JadeSquid · 10/11/2025 20:31

Pluto5 · 10/11/2025 20:27

Thank you, out of all these responses this is what I was basically looking for..😂

im well aware of my issues but it doesn't excuse the men's double standards. They have a list of red flags and general crappy behaviour but they don't seem to want any drama and are very picky considering. I do think it's because people are disposable now.

Maybe that's why I cling on so hard. I'd rather try and work through issues than on to the next

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Yes but just because a person isn't perfect, it doesn't mean that they have to accept a partner who has traits that they see as toxic.

It is true that they might be oblivious to the fact that their own traits are objectively worse than the person that they are rejecting, but it doesn't mean they have to ignore what they see and know to be problematic.

And generally speaking, people don't have to just give you a chance because you're not the worst person on Earth.

Pluto5 · 10/11/2025 20:27

JadeSquid · 10/11/2025 20:18

I have a lot of male friends and I've always noticed that a lot of them really believe that once they commit to someone, they aren't allowed to say no or have needs or desires of their own. That is why they're so bloody scared of committing.

I have noticed as we have got older that some men (and the younger generation) are becoming more aware of their autonomy. This manifests by them realising that they have both the right and the power to ensure that they actually pair with someone they like and will continue to like and want to be with over the long term. They do become more picky. They do say no. They will let someone gorgeous go if they aren't right for them.

Thank you, out of all these responses this is what I was basically looking for..😂

im well aware of my issues but it doesn't excuse the men's double standards. They have a list of red flags and general crappy behaviour but they don't seem to want any drama and are very picky considering. I do think it's because people are disposable now.

Maybe that's why I cling on so hard. I'd rather try and work through issues than on to the next

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JadeSquid · 10/11/2025 20:18

I have a lot of male friends and I've always noticed that a lot of them really believe that once they commit to someone, they aren't allowed to say no or have needs or desires of their own. That is why they're so bloody scared of committing.

I have noticed as we have got older that some men (and the younger generation) are becoming more aware of their autonomy. This manifests by them realising that they have both the right and the power to ensure that they actually pair with someone they like and will continue to like and want to be with over the long term. They do become more picky. They do say no. They will let someone gorgeous go if they aren't right for them.

Pluto5 · 10/11/2025 20:14

BauhausOfEliott · 10/11/2025 19:49

So basically, you serially date men with massive issues like addiction, narcissism, infidelity etc because you’re hooked on the drama.

Then when there is no drama you create some, and get pissed off when they dump you because - unlike you - they don’t thrive on this angst-ridden, melodramatic shite.

OP, anyone with any sense would run a mile from your behaviour.

You might have a point. Because I've been in an addict relationship which is very destructive we get used to drama. I do have adhd too so maybe I need dopamine.

I want a normal partner; I don't know they have these issues at first.

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BauhausOfEliott · 10/11/2025 19:49

So basically, you serially date men with massive issues like addiction, narcissism, infidelity etc because you’re hooked on the drama.

Then when there is no drama you create some, and get pissed off when they dump you because - unlike you - they don’t thrive on this angst-ridden, melodramatic shite.

OP, anyone with any sense would run a mile from your behaviour.

Pluto5 · 10/11/2025 19:35

HighlyUnusual · 10/11/2025 19:30

OP, it's also the case that most men on dating apps are a bit rubbish, and lots of them are emotionally unavailable, that's because lots of them are already married, in and out of relationships, using it to get free sex and all kinds of not committed behaviour. It isn't packed full of people looking for a committed long-term relationship or with the skills to sustain one.

There are nice people on there, but you have to avoid all the bad ones, and there are so many with a parade of red flags and you are ignoring the flags and keeping going with the awful ones anyway.

Honestly, Burned Haystacks will change your life as will having a good therapist to help you with this stuff, without it you are very vulnerable.

Thank you, you are right I'll look into it

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JudgeBread · 10/11/2025 19:34

You have an exceptionally unhealthy approach to dating.

You need to raise your standards. Accepting shit behaviour because you "really really like" someone is the shit most of us grew out of in high school. Having standards, expectations and boundaries are good things. Letting shit men walk all over you does not make you a loving, good partner. It makes you a weak doormat. You need to work on that.