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My Father was convicted of sexual assault on 17 year old, should I let him see my kids + MORE

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Lordvampire3 · 09/11/2025 21:37

Hi Everyone,

This is extremely hard to post and I am looking for other insight of whether I am being unreasonable.

My Father was convicted and due to be let out of prison for sexual assault of a 17 year old (in the UK this is over consent age so wasnt charged as child offense)

My DP and I made the decision that he would not see our 4 kids when he leaves prison due to what he has done. I was talking to my brother today and they exploded saying I was being out of order to not let him see his grandkids because of what he did

Am I being unreasonable? For context 3 of my children are girls, 11 9 and 4 and out little boy is 3.

I have been talking to him once a week and havent found the courage to say he wont see them as I worried about the fallout, plus selfishly I didnt want to be the cause if he didnt something stupid inside (like off himself etc)

Any help would be appericated

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WearyAuldWumman · 18/11/2025 16:36

Agreed.

Again, I can't speak for the rest of the UK, but offenders in Scotland have for some time been allowed to plead guilty to a lesser offence - particularly for a supposed first offence.

Clonakilla · 18/11/2025 10:31

I cannot believe there are people who think you need ‘more details’ to decide wtaf.

It is so difficult to achieve a successful prosecution for rape that it’s almost like men have immunity for sexual offences. They are so very very unlikely to even face trial.

A convicted rapist doesn’t have access to my children. This is controversial only to misogynistic rape apologists.

RedToothBrush · 18/11/2025 09:57

PyongyangKipperbang · 17/11/2025 17:12

No but it does have everything to do with the definition of paedophile. They are sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children, that is why she made that distinction. He is clearly a dangerous sex offender and a risk to women, but that doesnt mean that he is automatically a paedophile.

We are into the realms of grammar policing over a sex offender, when we start talking about the definition of a paedo - all in order to 'win on the internet'.

That's pretty grim to me. And naive. And gaslighty in its own right.

This is a sex offender. It doesn't matter if you only have boys and the sex offender only targets girls. There is still the risk of grooming behaviour and normalisation of acts which are not acceptable which means other people might be at risk in the future.

We know that sex offenders do not only offend sexually. Part of their behaviour is emotional abuse in order to justify their behaviour or to get away with their behaviour. Lying and manipulation is part of sex offending. Often it's part of the thrill.

The whole point is you need to protect anyone vulnerable from this behaviour - all elements of it. That includes the bullshitting.

What's striking about the OPs scenario is precisely the point that her brother has been employed as a flying monkey to try and force his sister to allow their father back into the lives of the grandchildren - using emotional blackmail and abuse.

This is about healthy relationships and family dynamics all round. A sex offender simply doesn't have that - even if they aren't offending against their own family or ever likely to. They will be aware of what is likely to happen to their family if they are caught. They just don't care. The narcissism it takes to be a sex offender is, in itself, a bloody good reason to avoid an offender you have previously been closed to. And the risk is you stick by an offender and they do it all again and drag you all through the process again. That should be enough to make you run for the hills, and if it's not you really should be looking up FOG and seeking professional health in how to break the cycle of being vulnerable to emotional abuse.

For all the talk that 'oh I don't think I could cope, I'll kill myself ' - there's never any regard as to how family members will cope emotionally if they find out a close relative is a sex offender and how that will impact their lives and that's the thing you always should focus on. It destroys lives.

I know a family who has been affected by the subject. Kids are tweens. There's the embarrassment and shame and there's the school gossip and there's impact to what activities the kids do and who they are allowed to see and who will still play with them. It's enormous. The family are being well looked after by friends and extended family and he's no longer welcome fortunately. But it's been devastating to them.

He, of course, span the suicide thing to his mates too. What was notable was what he did - approaching certain people but not others: the ones I would describe as soft touches and not the ones who don't do bullshit. Even in this he was being manipulative and thought he could worm his way back. Fortunately, the sensible heads got wind and they told him to do one which meant the soft touches followed suit. It was an interesting real time demonstration in personality dynamics. Miraculously I believe this guy is still breathing despite all his suicide threats, though he has moved away from the area.

Morningrepair · 18/11/2025 06:37

PyongyangKipperbang · 17/11/2025 17:12

No but it does have everything to do with the definition of paedophile. They are sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children, that is why she made that distinction. He is clearly a dangerous sex offender and a risk to women, but that doesnt mean that he is automatically a paedophile.

you have thrown in the word “pre pubescent” as though it has any place in this discussion. The law sure as heck doesn’t!

A 10 yr old girl could have started her periods @AprilinPortugal and therefore no longer “pre pubescent ”

Happyher · 17/11/2025 18:49

Op I feel so sorry for you. This must have been terrible for you and you must have many mixed feelings. I think you should tell him that you don’t want him seeing the kids for the foreseeable future and then start to your own feelings which much be conflicted. As others have said, find out as much as you can about his crime and conviction and what restrictions are placed on him. When you have the truth you can decide what kind of relationship you want with him, if any. Over time things might change but always put your children’s safety and your own mental health first and go with your gut feelings

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PyongyangKipperbang · 17/11/2025 17:12

Givethegift · 17/11/2025 06:38

Puberty doesn’t have anything to do with the definition of a child @AprilinPortugal

No but it does have everything to do with the definition of paedophile. They are sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children, that is why she made that distinction. He is clearly a dangerous sex offender and a risk to women, but that doesnt mean that he is automatically a paedophile.

Givethegift · 17/11/2025 06:38

AprilinPortugal · 16/11/2025 19:00

He is abhorrent, but a 17 year old is not a pre- pubescent child. There's no reason to suspect he is a paedophile. Having said that, the fact that he is a sex offender should be enough to stop him being anywhere near the grandchildren.

Puberty doesn’t have anything to do with the definition of a child @AprilinPortugal

AprilinPortugal · 16/11/2025 19:00

Summerlovin40 · 09/11/2025 21:51

Your father was imprisoned for sexually abusing a CHILD ( under 18) and you're wondering if he should be around your children?? I'd also be concerned that your brother thinks it's normal behaviour...

He is abhorrent, but a 17 year old is not a pre- pubescent child. There's no reason to suspect he is a paedophile. Having said that, the fact that he is a sex offender should be enough to stop him being anywhere near the grandchildren.

LizzieW1969 · 16/11/2025 15:53

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2025 14:19

Hard Disagree.

Someone who has been CONVICTED of a sex offence IS a risk regardless of whether you are related to them or not or 'how complicated' your family dynamics are.

The fact you may be caught up in FOG (fear, obligation and guilt) due to emotional abuse does not change the risk profile.

You need to get rid of the FOG and see an offender as just like any other offender in terms of risk.

That means not letting them have the opportunity to reoffend OR emotionally manipulate or abuse your children too.

I can actually understand the desire to understand only too well. I’ll never get answers from my abusive F, as he’s dead. If he were alive, I would definitely want answers as to why the SA happened when he was also seemingly a loving father at other times. (I believe this is why my DSis and I repressed the memories while he was alive; they only came back 12 years ago when our DC were small.)

Contact with my DDs would be a completely different matter, though. I wouldn’t allow contact between them and my DB, who participated in the abuse, despite him also having been a victim and a vulnerable adult.

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2025 14:19

Lavender14 · 16/11/2025 13:57

You do you. Other people will do them.

These things are always super easy to theorise on when you haven't been in that particular pair of shoes.

Hard Disagree.

Someone who has been CONVICTED of a sex offence IS a risk regardless of whether you are related to them or not or 'how complicated' your family dynamics are.

The fact you may be caught up in FOG (fear, obligation and guilt) due to emotional abuse does not change the risk profile.

You need to get rid of the FOG and see an offender as just like any other offender in terms of risk.

That means not letting them have the opportunity to reoffend OR emotionally manipulate or abuse your children too.

Againforget · 16/11/2025 14:06

Lavender14 · 16/11/2025 13:57

You do you. Other people will do them.

These things are always super easy to theorise on when you haven't been in that particular pair of shoes.

A man imprisoned for a sexual offence

Nope, I don’t need a shred of detail
and nor does 99% of the parents on this thread

Lavender14 · 16/11/2025 13:57

Againforget · 16/11/2025 12:43

At the same time, I think it's very understandable why someone - who's trying to match up the person they thought they knew with the horrific offence they've been convicted of- might feel like they need more information to help them understand this and to feel clarity on what the actual risks are around this man.

Not when we are talking about access to my children.

You do you. Other people will do them.

These things are always super easy to theorise on when you haven't been in that particular pair of shoes.

newusernamex1000 · 16/11/2025 12:45

Not a chance, your brother sounds odd.

Againforget · 16/11/2025 12:43

At the same time, I think it's very understandable why someone - who's trying to match up the person they thought they knew with the horrific offence they've been convicted of- might feel like they need more information to help them understand this and to feel clarity on what the actual risks are around this man.

Not when we are talking about access to my children.

youalright · 14/11/2025 22:18

Lavender14 · 14/11/2025 20:04

Some of these posts are ridiculous.

@youalright has been very explicit that they did not sympathise or excuse ops fathers behaviour in any way. And using her dds traumatic experience as a means to score argument points is actually disgusting. There are so many other ways you could have addressed this without weaponising op and her dds pain and trauma.

This poster has simply commented on the fact that 'sex offender' is used as a catch all term for people who have been convicted of a very wide range of behaviours - some of which are much more likely to be rehabilitated successfully than others and will carry varying levels of risk to different demographics of the population. That does not make this poster a rape or sexual assault apologist in any way. These are facts that we know are true statistically. Obviously it's much easier and more comfortable to be black and white about this and say its a sex offender so it doesn't matter they should be locked away and forgotten about - but realistically that's not actually how this often plays out in society and for good reason. There are also lots of children out there who maintain relationships with parents who have such convictions within safeguarding restrictions to protect them.

I completely agree that op is best not having her children around this man given what we know from the op - especially since its not a relationship where contact is likely to be forced via court and its not a parental relationship.

At the same time, I think it's very understandable why someone - who's trying to match up the person they thought they knew with the horrific offence they've been convicted of- might feel like they need more information to help them understand this and to feel clarity on what the actual risks are around this man. It can be an absolute head fuck and sweeping statements don't really help anyone to process.

Thankyou so much. That has meant a lot ❤️

TheGander · 14/11/2025 21:16

I know it’s amazing how many threads turn into a pile on against the OP. Some compassion please, imagine the stigma and utter hand grenade in the heart of your family that having a sex offender father must be. OP has come on here for a sense check and is asking some reasonable questions given her situation. Jeez.

Lavender14 · 14/11/2025 20:04

Tigerbalmshark · 12/11/2025 22:48

Presumably then you also sympathise with OP’s father’s victim, who will have been through the exact same experience as your daughter. And do not want OP to be in your place in five years’ time when her daughters are her dad’s “target” age.

But instead you are in here telling her to give him a chance, and saying convicted sex offenders aren’t that bad and maybe he will only forcibly grope her children and not full on rape them which would be absolutely fine to risk.

Some of these posts are ridiculous.

@youalright has been very explicit that they did not sympathise or excuse ops fathers behaviour in any way. And using her dds traumatic experience as a means to score argument points is actually disgusting. There are so many other ways you could have addressed this without weaponising op and her dds pain and trauma.

This poster has simply commented on the fact that 'sex offender' is used as a catch all term for people who have been convicted of a very wide range of behaviours - some of which are much more likely to be rehabilitated successfully than others and will carry varying levels of risk to different demographics of the population. That does not make this poster a rape or sexual assault apologist in any way. These are facts that we know are true statistically. Obviously it's much easier and more comfortable to be black and white about this and say its a sex offender so it doesn't matter they should be locked away and forgotten about - but realistically that's not actually how this often plays out in society and for good reason. There are also lots of children out there who maintain relationships with parents who have such convictions within safeguarding restrictions to protect them.

I completely agree that op is best not having her children around this man given what we know from the op - especially since its not a relationship where contact is likely to be forced via court and its not a parental relationship.

At the same time, I think it's very understandable why someone - who's trying to match up the person they thought they knew with the horrific offence they've been convicted of- might feel like they need more information to help them understand this and to feel clarity on what the actual risks are around this man. It can be an absolute head fuck and sweeping statements don't really help anyone to process.

LizzieW1969 · 14/11/2025 18:45

crinkletits · 14/11/2025 08:00

She came to ask for permission to do what her gut instinct told her. She’s under a lot of pressure, she just needed to be told it’s what MN is for a sounding board.

^I agree with this. It will be very difficult for the OP, being emotionally blackmailed by her brother. Especially with it being about the man who brought her up and who she thought was a good man, before finding out what he was really like. She shouldn’t be jumped upon for asking the advice of MN.

crinkletits · 14/11/2025 08:00

Didkyle · 10/11/2025 14:52

I am

To even consider for a nano second that she may be being unreasonable is concerning

She came to ask for permission to do what her gut instinct told her. She’s under a lot of pressure, she just needed to be told it’s what MN is for a sounding board.

Justtoodamneasy · 13/11/2025 11:09

BigOldBlobsy · 13/11/2025 10:54

^

I am also concerned the OP is even asking mumsnet

BigOldBlobsy · 13/11/2025 10:54

Summerlovin40 · 09/11/2025 21:51

Your father was imprisoned for sexually abusing a CHILD ( under 18) and you're wondering if he should be around your children?? I'd also be concerned that your brother thinks it's normal behaviour...

^

Beesandtrees1234 · 13/11/2025 06:20

Hi, my grandfather abused my mother we found out many years later as teenagers, while he never abused us we feel he had urges when he was around us which I wont go into detail but it has still effected us all female grandchildren. My poor Mum was not able to break away from him and my grandmother until she was in her late 40's. The trauma that has been carried down into us as children and now adults knowing we were around him, and learning about this huge lie of him being a nice grandad has been very difficult to process and has played out in all of us in different ways. Please protect your children first, especially as they are all girls. It is a preference to be attracted to much younger females and children and they are at risk. Your brother has no right to tell you what to do, and is part of the problem. Trust is broken and broken in this way, it's too risky for your precious girls.

Morningreppy · 13/11/2025 06:07

Tigerbalmshark · 12/11/2025 22:57

Yes, being sexually assaulted will do that to you. I have PTSD. Ask your daughter about it, you clearly have no understanding of it yourself.

Damn good point

This poster’s daughter wouldn’t be wanting more detail around an imprisonment for a sexual offence before deciding access to her children

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