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The BBC should lose the license fee and be forced to operate like any other streaming service after the complete destruction of trust this week

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 09/11/2025 19:44

Thats it really, the BBC lied to us, all of us.

They edited a Trump speech to make him look like he said something he did not.

They pushed one side of the transgender debate relentlessly, deliberately hiding negative stories on detransitioners, the US WPATH file and thousands of more cases

https://archive.ph/wWdMS

https://archive.ph/uiEKW

They have cancelled people for wrong-think at every opportunity, pushed drag queens over women, turned woman hours into mens hour, constantly attacked anyone who does not share their extreme liberal left wing views and kept them off the news cycle

They have utterly and completely lost all trust, they ARE biased they DON'T give balance in the news

Everyone thought it was a conspiracy, now we know it's actually true and we have PROOF

Today the BBC Director and News Director have both quit in absolute disgrace.

It is time the BBC was consigned to the dustbin because we are never getting back to the BBC I loved and trusted, the one that ran programmes to inform and entertain and educate, that BBC is long gone.

Replace it, completely.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd9kqz1yyxkt

BBC director general Tim Davie and News CEO Deborah Turness resign - live updates

Davie says "there have been some mistakes made and as director general I have to take ultimate responsibility".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd9kqz1yyxkt

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PencilsInSpace · 10/11/2025 20:29

CheekyChickenFucker · 10/11/2025 19:12

I'm baffled by this. I've always found them biased in terms of giving Reform UK a lot of screen time when they don't have many seats. I always assumed they were right leaning. The trans stuff isn't as bad as people make out. I watched a bit of Riot Women last night and there was loads of people outraged on here about how bad it was. I was expecting it to be really OTT and pervy the way people were banging on about it and it was just a trans young person in a band 🙄

The media has always been biased. He tabloids are an utter crock of shite and have been for decades. That's why you pick multiple sources from different political leanings, and somewhere where they all cross over you find the truth.

The BBC's coverage of sex and gender has been appalling for years.

From the memo:

A BBC presenter contacted me about a month after I started working with the EGSC. He put me in touch with a reporter and a producer. All three were from different parts of the BBC but had shared concerns about BBC coverage of the trans issue.

The story that each person told me was what sounded like effective censorship by the specialist LGBTQ desk within News.

As virtually all shows had lost their own reporters, programme editors had to make requests to News if they wanted a correspondent to cover a story. I was told that time and time again the LGBTQ desk staffers would decline to cover any story raising difficult questions about the trans-debate.

The allegation made to me was stark: that the desk had been captured by a small group of people promoting the Stonewall view of the debate and keeping other perspectives off-air. Individual programmes had come to lack their own reporters as a counterweight.

What I was told chimed with what I saw for myself on BBC Online - that stories raising difficult questions about the ‘trans agenda’ were ignored even if they had been widely taken up and discussed across other media outlets.

There was also a constant drip-feed of one-sided stories, usually news features, celebrating the trans experience without adequate balance or objectivity.

A typical example was the story of Gisele Shaw, a gushing tale of a transgender wrestler who felt “liberated” by coming out.

This story, posted on March 15th, 2023, glossed over how the wrestler, who is a biological male, had repeatedly won trophies by competing in women’s competition.

The Board might take note that the one undisputed run of ground-breaking journalistic excellence in this space was that of Newsnight’s Hannah Barnes, who went on to author the seminal book about the medical treatment and mistreatment of ‘trans children’.

Her work might well now not be possible at the BBC, given the culture I describe above combined with changes at Newsnight and the lack now of any programme-specific reporters.

Ms Barnes, with a proud track record at the BBC, elected to depart for the New Statesman.

Story selection and diversity of opinion
David Grossman’s report examining the BBC’s coverage of trans issues came to the EGSC in October 2024.

It found many shortcomings, in line with my fears and the concerns raised with me by BBC staff.

These included:

  • On story selection, his report warned of an “unintended editorial bias”
  • “Significant voices” were too often missing from the BBC’s coverage, including those who had transitioned and regretted their decision or those who had concerns about the process
  • The report couldn’t find a single example in the review period that reflected the experience of de-transitioners
  • It noted there were more stories about the waiting times for people to receive care than examining the quality of that care itself
  • It also noted a surprisingly high number of stories about drag queens considering it is such a niche group of people
  • Stories that raised concerns about the quality or safety of care given to gender questioning children and adults received “little or no coverage”
  • In March 2024, there was widespread media coverage of leaked documents from the World Professional Association for Transgender Health which raised concerns about the quality of care given to gender-distressed children. It was picked up by the Mail, Economist, Observer, Washington Post, the Times and others but not the BBC
  • There was also scant coverage of biological women campaigning to exclude biological men from sensitive spaces
  • The BBC failed to cover the story of Darlington nurses who took their employer to court for allowing their changing room to be used by biological males. This story was covered extensively by other news outlets including Sky News and GB News
  • Similarly, there was no coverage of claims biological male police and prison officers were being allowed to conduct strip searches on women and girls
  • The report warned that the phrase “assigned at birth” in relation to biological sex was appearing frequently in coverage, despite being advised against in guidelines
  • The report noted concerns with how the debate about the Cass Review was framed on Newsnight – the views of a doctor critical of the Tavistock Clinic were “balanced” with those of a trans woman, who said she had received excellent care. The report pointed out that if Newsnight was covering concerns about a maternity unit it would not seek to provide balance by interviewing a mother who was happy with her care

Gender identity
The concept of gender identity is contested but David warned the EGSC that “some of our coverage is presented in a way that suggests the concept of gender identity is an established fact rather than contested.”

He also warned there was a tacit acceptance of the concept of ‘gender identity’ in BBC guidelines that could cause impartiality problems and recommended a change.

The guidelines state: “for most people their sex and gender identity are the same”.

He suggested adding: “Others may reject the idea that they have a gender identity that is separate from their biological sex at all”.

My understanding is we are still waiting for the updated news style guide, nearly 12 months since David’s report was presented to the EGSC.

David’s findings highlight a cultural problem across the BBC – that too many of its staff have never considered the idea of “gender identity” to be either spurious or offensive to many people.

As an institution the BBC too often views issues of gender and sexuality as a celebration of British diversity rather than exploring the complexities of the subject.

Without anchoring stories in biological sex, they risk becoming incomprehensible to audiences. For example, they may not understand the concerns about a transgender woman being sent to a women’s prison.
David flagged one article, carried on BBC News in June, 2024, under the headline: “Transgender woman guilty of rape after night out”. Without adding that the offender was a biological man, this story would be confusing for many.
The review recommended BBC reporters and presenters should use language more “anchored in biological sex” – such as biological males and biological females.

“Otherwise, there is a real danger that audiences may not understand the stories we are attempting to cover.”

A prime example would be the case of Scarlet Blake - a transgender woman sentenced on February 26th, 2024, for the murder of Jorge Martin Carreo. When the story was reported on the One O’Clock News, Blake was not referred to as a trans woman, only a woman. On the Six O’Clock News, she was referred to as a trans woman.

In a statement, the BBC conceded that Blake should have been referred to as a trans woman in the lunchtime programme. It is interesting to ask how the lunchtime news got this wrong - it may well speak to capture by a particular lobby or a nervousness when reporting these subjects.

nomas · 10/11/2025 20:27

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 10/11/2025 20:25

I don’t think people who aren’t any good at their jobs should keep their jobs.

and - I am certain the BBC does not need to be 20,000 people strong.

we don’t need a public broadcaster commissioning Celebreity Traitors.

we do need impartial trustworthy news.

The show which was watched by 11 million people?

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 10/11/2025 20:25

nomas · 10/11/2025 20:07

Have you ever even run a team before, let alone a company or org?

Who is going to pay for 20,000 to be made redundant, many of whom have been there for decades?

Who is going to pay for recruiting and training 20,000 new staff?

I don’t think people who aren’t any good at their jobs should keep their jobs.

and - I am certain the BBC does not need to be 20,000 people strong.

we don’t need a public broadcaster commissioning Celebreity Traitors.

we do need impartial trustworthy news.

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EsmaCannonball · 10/11/2025 20:20

Back in the days before Margaret Thatcher started to break the BBC up and force it to use commercial production companies it did have lots of regional departments where the producers had real commissioning power. Nowadays all the decision making it centralised and concentrated at the top, which makes it really hard to get anything made, particularly anything challenging or risky.

Another post-Thatcher problem is most of the permanent, secure jobs at the BBC are in management and administration whereas creative and technical people are on short-term contracts or are freelance. This, again, makes the culture creatively risk-averse, as the precariously employed are only as good as their last project. It also means no-one wants to speak out against BBC activist culture as they just won't be contracted again.

PencilsInSpace · 10/11/2025 20:12

I don't think it's possible for any media outlet to be unbiased. Even with the best of intentions, they all inevitably develop their own culture and norms. People who don't like it leave and people who do like it apply, and over time it becomes self-reinforcing, and unless they're upfront about their political positioning they probably won't even notice.

I've long since given up looking for one trustworthy news outlet. I tend to read at least two or three sources coming from different angles before I make my mind up about something.

nomas · 10/11/2025 20:07

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 10/11/2025 06:40

But they have been proven hundreds of times to not even approach let alone meet that very valid and needed principle

thy all must go. All of them

start again.

Have you ever even run a team before, let alone a company or org?

Who is going to pay for 20,000 to be made redundant, many of whom have been there for decades?

Who is going to pay for recruiting and training 20,000 new staff?

OonaStubbs · 10/11/2025 20:01

Just shut it down. We don't need a public service broadcaster in this day and age. There is a market for any kind of news service that people will watch and pay for.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 10/11/2025 19:57

KateShugakIsALegend · 10/11/2025 19:40

What might the downsides be of your suggestions?

I think we would all agree that we don't want endless bias.

How do we best achieve that?

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Replace the bbc entirely with a new organisation with a new remit and charter, one that is dedicated to only filling the gaps a commercial organisation cannot or will not fill.

that means no celebrity traitors or eastenders

is does mean verifiably balanced news.

independent from the government and funded through direct taxation like any other service to the nation is.

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KateShugakIsALegend · 10/11/2025 19:40

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 10/11/2025 19:33

Sort of had one here. 2:1 agree.

What might the downsides be of your suggestions?

I think we would all agree that we don't want endless bias.

How do we best achieve that?

ParmaVioletTea · 10/11/2025 19:36

TheKeatingFive · 09/11/2025 19:51

I think there is value in an independent, public broadcaster.

But it only works if it genuinely delivers on the highest of journalistic standards.

It needs serious reform.

This.

If you've spent any considerable time in a country without a public service broadcaster (Germany, USA, for example) you'll know how much of a priceless jewel the BBC is.

Yes, it needs reform, but then Boris Johnson shouldn't have tried to stack the board and any appointment over which he had influence.

Do you really really want the UK (and UK politics) to be run by Donald Trump and his cronies?? Really??????

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 10/11/2025 19:33

Hormonesupanddown · 10/11/2025 19:33

I think it’s time we have a referendum on whether the BBC should be moved to a subscription model.

Sort of had one here. 2:1 agree.

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Hormonesupanddown · 10/11/2025 19:33

I think it’s time we have a referendum on whether the BBC should be moved to a subscription model.

CheekyChickenFucker · 10/11/2025 19:12

I'm baffled by this. I've always found them biased in terms of giving Reform UK a lot of screen time when they don't have many seats. I always assumed they were right leaning. The trans stuff isn't as bad as people make out. I watched a bit of Riot Women last night and there was loads of people outraged on here about how bad it was. I was expecting it to be really OTT and pervy the way people were banging on about it and it was just a trans young person in a band 🙄

The media has always been biased. He tabloids are an utter crock of shite and have been for decades. That's why you pick multiple sources from different political leanings, and somewhere where they all cross over you find the truth.

KateShugakIsALegend · 10/11/2025 19:03

OonaStubbs · 10/11/2025 18:48

The BBC should be moved out of London. That is one of the main problems, too many people working there live in a smug, middle class metropolitan bubble. It needs to be representative of the majority of British people who do not live in London or have a London viewpoint.

Happened in 2004, partially

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaCityUK

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/11/2025 19:00

It”s not even as if Trump doesn’t do or say enough ridiculous, malicious, spiteful and false things anyway - why on earth did the BBC think editing his speech in a way that exaggerated what he’d said was necessary?

Precisely, @Tryingtokeepgoing, though remembering the glee expressed over what the BBC's original report "proved" I strongly suspect there's some second hand embarrassment going on here

Tryingtokeepgoing · 10/11/2025 18:57

MrsSkylerWhite · 10/11/2025 18:49

Do tell us why Trump should be allowed to operate as President, as a proven liar and potential criminal.

Because, like it or not (and I don’t) he, like our government, was democratically elected. It’s the BBCs job to report the news, not exaggerate or make it up. Somethimg it’s drifted away from in its desire to take sides. It”s not even as if Trump doesn’t do or say enough ridiculous, malicious, spiteful and false things anyway - why on earth did the BBC think editing his speech in a way that exaggerated what he’d said was necessary? And how stupid and arrogant do you have to be think that it won’t be spotted?

MrsSkylerWhite · 10/11/2025 18:49

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 09/11/2025 19:51

Do tell us why the BBC should be allowed to operate given what has happened this week? So bad the director general and head of news literally resigned 10 minutes ago?

Do tell us why Trump should be allowed to operate as President, as a proven liar and potential criminal.

OonaStubbs · 10/11/2025 18:48

The BBC should be moved out of London. That is one of the main problems, too many people working there live in a smug, middle class metropolitan bubble. It needs to be representative of the majority of British people who do not live in London or have a London viewpoint.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/11/2025 18:46

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 09/11/2025 19:51

Do tell us why the BBC should be allowed to operate given what has happened this week? So bad the director general and head of news literally resigned 10 minutes ago?

It's really not just about this week though, is it? The scandals, deceptions and cover ups go back years and there's no indication of anything ever having been learned

Personally I've always opposed a state mouthpiece broadcaster, paid for by an effective tax, and all the horrors are to my mind what you get with such a system

Susiy · 10/11/2025 18:39

I don't think the BBC is remotely left-wing.

It simply indulges in the most middle-class of all pursuits:
competitive virtue-signalling.

Most of the people employed by the BBC would cross the street to avoid the people they claim to stand up for.

However, those who spliced the Trump speech should be sacked at the minimum and pursued for fraud.

The taxpayer will of course be left to pick up Trump's tab regardless of which side of the political spectrum they are on.

StandFirm · 10/11/2025 18:21

SerendipityJane · 10/11/2025 17:03

It would be a shame if licence payers had to pay damages to Trump.

I think that would finish off the beeb 1) because it would come out of an already very tight budget and 2) because I suspect many left leaning viewers will cancel rather than have any of their hard earned cash land in DJT's pockets.
My thoughts however are that a settlement won't happen. We're still a sovereign country and this type of legal action would be a very costly and complicated process. It's easier for Trump to unleash his lawyer brigade at home. I think here it would be harder.

GasPanic · 10/11/2025 18:19

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 10/11/2025 17:15

Personally, I would be more than happy to pay for it as a subscription service. I get more than my money's worth from BBC radio alone.

But notwithstanding the reputational damage that may have been done by the recent panorama mess-up, the BBC is still a source of soft power for the UK internationally, and I think it would be a mistake to lose that.

I also think that, while there are some issues around the governance and management of the BBC which clearly need sorting out, I do actually think that there is still a place for a broadcaster that isn't driven purely by commercial priorities. So I support continued state funding for the BBC, but I would be inclined to scrap the license fee and fund it through general taxation instead. The FCO could fund BBC World Service and foreign language broadcasting, and the Dept for Media, Culture & Sport could fund the domestic offering, perhaps with contributions from other departments where appropriate.

For me the point is you should have the choice on whether you not you want to pay the subscription.

At the moment we have no choice but to pay the subscription even if we don't watch any BBC programs but watch live broadcast TV. This is grossly unfair.

However if the government were to change it so it were possible for people to opt out of BBC programming but keep live broadcast entitlement to pay for broadcast infrastructure etc, it would probably blow a massive hole in the BBCs funding.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 10/11/2025 18:18

Donttellempike · 10/11/2025 18:17

Hello Nigel 👏👏👏

Again, just like the comment earlier, this is not the mic drop moment you think it is and only goes to show your own biases.

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Donttellempike · 10/11/2025 18:17

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 09/11/2025 19:44

Thats it really, the BBC lied to us, all of us.

They edited a Trump speech to make him look like he said something he did not.

They pushed one side of the transgender debate relentlessly, deliberately hiding negative stories on detransitioners, the US WPATH file and thousands of more cases

https://archive.ph/wWdMS

https://archive.ph/uiEKW

They have cancelled people for wrong-think at every opportunity, pushed drag queens over women, turned woman hours into mens hour, constantly attacked anyone who does not share their extreme liberal left wing views and kept them off the news cycle

They have utterly and completely lost all trust, they ARE biased they DON'T give balance in the news

Everyone thought it was a conspiracy, now we know it's actually true and we have PROOF

Today the BBC Director and News Director have both quit in absolute disgrace.

It is time the BBC was consigned to the dustbin because we are never getting back to the BBC I loved and trusted, the one that ran programmes to inform and entertain and educate, that BBC is long gone.

Replace it, completely.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd9kqz1yyxkt

Hello Nigel 👏👏👏

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