Fuck it - the government will look me

Our political system is just a merry-go-round of charlatans shitting the bed and then blaming the previous government for shitting the bed. Capitalism has failed.

Now they’re all trying to court reform voters by proving who can be most jingoistic, insulting reform voters and everyone else whilst being culturally bankrupt and self-serving.

This constant appalling rhetoric that it isn’t billionaires hoarding wealth, private landlords exploiting people or greedy self-serving execs ruining the nhs; no it’s actually people who were born somewhere else 🙄

Pathetic.

They know they’re a one term party. If I’m right, then the plan is to continue to cause financial chaos and force a few million more people to become state dependent under the hopes they save a couple of seats.

ok thank you

I think there was a definition floating around from the treasury on request from Labour, at £45k

But it has since been reported that the NI cut would apply only to those earning less than £50,270 – meaning a significant tax rise for millions of middle earners.

That cut off at least makes more sense from an admin perspective. Why are people saying 45k?

They’ve painted themselves in a corner with this rubbish. It’ll cost them.

They are trying to protect those they consider lower income earners but their didn’t want to mention class nor offend anyone so we’ve ended up with this nonsense word salad that means very little to anyone.

Labour doesn’t define you as ‘working people’ once you earn over £45k. It’s the ever shrinking pool of people they haven’t gotten around to screwing over as yet, they’ve only had 14 months though so give them time. It’s not a weird way to frame it, it’s just stupid.

Here you go. If this happens then I’d say they’re toast.

On Friday, the Chancellor told the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) that she planned to raise income tax by 2p, which will be offset by a 2p cut to NI, allowing her to argue that “working people” are being protected.

But it has since been reported that the NI cut would apply only to those earning less than £50,270 – meaning a significant tax rise for millions of middle earners.

This includes 283,000 NHS staff, 137,000 teachers as well as police officers, pharmacists and train drivers.

I have no idea. I don’t think train drivers would class themselves as such. Bobbys on the beat certainly never were.

why not align it with the higher rate band although I think that should be lifted anyway.

@EasternStandard but you said "Actually being in the group defined as not working "

is a very weird way to frame it. The NI/tax increase does make sense but I don't understand the 45k cut off.

Correct on both!

The manifesto pledge to not raise taxes for working people could fall down if Labour do the NI / tax 2p approach.

It is said to only go up to a threshold which means teachers, police, NHS etc are earning over it.

It’s on another thread I’ll paste it over

@Swiftie1878 thanks, so they don't see them as ordinary workers but still workers as opposed to non workers?

45k seems a random number.

There’s talk that earning over £45k pa means you aren’t an ordinary working person - you are in the group that needs to pay more.

@Livelovebehappy I deal with pensions through my job, many young opt out due to housing costs. It is crazy because it's a good scheme but they need it to live now.

@BionicWomansAnkle so is that something labour has said rather than actual recognised definitions?

I typed labour and working people into google but it brings up 2024 links

Young people who aren’t currently saving into a private pension are mad. The reality is that those in their 20s or 30s are going to be working until at least 70, possibly longer, before getting a state pension.

Actually being in the group defined as not working will be very hard for Labour MPs to defend.

I also don't understand this point @EasternStandard? Who has said police and teachers are not workers?

I think teachers are classed as ‘working people’ unless they teach at an independent school in which case it’s ’people with broadest shoulders’. Police are classed as ‘working people’ unless they earn over £45k at which point they are ‘people who have to start paying their fair share’. I don’t know why people get confused with Labour’s identity boxing, it’s quite easy to understand and not divisive rubbish at all.

When I think of a labour government and a conservative one actually, they should be removing social economic barriers.

@Phonicshaskilledmeoff so how can they achieve this?

Or when younger trying hard in school, finding a profession and not getting pregnant before we we afford them.

Older generations did this not the current young, lots aren't even having dc.

Yes but they’re still broadly pro Labour.

@EasternStandard are they? I haven't read that teachers & police tend to vote labour, can you link to something? Even if they do it also doesn't mean they are against tax rises does it?