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Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 09/11/2025 09:05

I am becoming increasingly frustrated with the way our country is run. I love my country, but what on earth can I do to fix it? the Rachel reeves pension and stamp duty rumours have tipped me over the edge.

I believe 90% of our lives is the summation of our own choices. Bar (some of) our own (and families) health and tragic life events, there is very little we can’t choose in this country.

I’m not saying that the playing field is fair - I absolutely acknowledge that some groups face structural barriers that make good choices harder. Others are unaware those choices even exist. That’s where government should step in—not to equalise outcomes, but to equalise access to meaningful choice.

I think we all acknowledge that bad governments are ones that take away choices. This government, however is also taking away choice by incentivising bad choices. Policies should nudge people toward self-sufficiency, not make state reliance easier than self-reliance, or rewarding short-term decisions over long-term

Our Government should be working towards equitable availability of choice (not equal - see below) to make sure those choices are as easy and available to everyone. Policies should be in place to make sure people are encouraged to make the right choices.

I increasingly feel like I make the right choices and think what was the bloody point!

I’m going to wish I never paid into my pension soon and went on holiday instead! Should I just spend my money, move into a smaller house and quit my job. At this point I think I’d be better off.

Jargon Buster - EQUALITY - It’s assumed there is a level playing field and everyone gets the same resources. EQUITY - Everyone gets what they need to succeed, which may mean different levels of support.

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Negroany · 09/11/2025 12:01

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 11:46

You’re not wrong OP. This government (like those for the last 25 years) are only for those that don’t contribute, only take. And yes contribution is financial. You can’t pay for things with warm words and kind sentiments. You have to go out and earn cold hard cash and then pay for the public services which most in this country now get for free, since over 50% are net takers.

Even more insulting is the increasing amount of freebies given to people who simply choose to not work at all. People love gaslighting to say this isn’t happening. But motability cars for ADHD is a thing. Over 1000 people are going onto disability benefits a day. A million young people simply choosing to live on benefits. Another million foreign nationals claiming benefits.

The whole thing is a joke and slap in the face for those who pay for this largesse.

Why do you have a problem with notability cars? You know people who have them fund them themselves, right?

Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 09/11/2025 12:00

DuncinToffee · 09/11/2025 11:52

Did you miss the Truss budget?

Ha oddly I wasn’t worried before …… just afterwards!

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Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:00

I am becoming increasingly frustrated with the way our country is run. I love my country, but what on earth can I do to fix it? the Rachel reeves pension and stamp duty rumours have tipped me over the edge.

Evidently, you are not alone in the way you feel, OP.

EasternStandard · 09/11/2025 12:00

Negroany · 09/11/2025 11:53

Yes, you're worried because the world economy is in a very difficult position, with wars, tariffs, lunatics in power in other countries.

Also, because the press and other media is so anti the current government that it's whipping up a frenzy which you seem to have fallen for.

Honestly, maybe stop worrying and read something useful, preferably that's not on the internet.

Reeves didn’t do a pre budget press conference because things are rosy for Labour.

Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 09/11/2025 11:57

Negroany · 09/11/2025 11:51

Well, stop basing your opinions on things you "heard", and look into it yourself.

You don't pay stamp duty when you sell. Everyone knows this, so now you sound like you're just trolling.

What "annual charge"? Is this another made up thing that you "heard"?

If you're trying to make serious points, at least get the facts right and try not to "mispeak", whatever that means.

These are the rumours re the new budget, widely publicised in both right and left leaning newspapers ….

Why so immediately rude rather than as you put it, looking into it yourself?

www.theguardian.com/money/2025/aug/18/rachel-reeves-stamp-duty-property-tax-council-tax

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Avantiagain · 09/11/2025 11:57

" I believe 90% of our lives is the summation of our own choices"

I probably thought similar when I was young. Wisdom gained with life experience has shown me I was wrong.

Negroany · 09/11/2025 11:56

BorgQueen · 09/11/2025 11:51

Would the pension change ( if it happens) even affect you?

Do you use Salary Sacrifice for your pension?

For clarity - someone sacrificing £10k into a pension would end up paying £640 NI - that’s all.

They would save £4000 in income tax by lowering their taxable earnings, as most who Sal sac are higher rate tax payers.

Net gain of £3360.

Also, I hate to say it, but those who can afford to put £10k pa into their pension are already quite privileged. I say this as someone who used to put £3k pm in mine (it wasn't sal sac, so the NI change, if it happens, would not have impacted me at all). That's how come I can now work one day a week (and still put £2k pa into my pension, with employer's contribution).

It's just a non issue for the vast majority of people. And a tax on the wealthy. Which seems on-brand for Labour.

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 11:53

A million young people simply choosing to live on benefits.

@WildLimePoet can you link to the above.

Negroany · 09/11/2025 11:53

Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 09/11/2025 11:50

I’ve never been worried about a budget before. This time im not only worried about my own position, but the economy as a whole

Yes, you're worried because the world economy is in a very difficult position, with wars, tariffs, lunatics in power in other countries.

Also, because the press and other media is so anti the current government that it's whipping up a frenzy which you seem to have fallen for.

Honestly, maybe stop worrying and read something useful, preferably that's not on the internet.

DuncinToffee · 09/11/2025 11:52

Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 09/11/2025 11:50

I’ve never been worried about a budget before. This time im not only worried about my own position, but the economy as a whole

Did you miss the Truss budget?

BorgQueen · 09/11/2025 11:51

Would the pension change ( if it happens) even affect you?

Do you use Salary Sacrifice for your pension?

For clarity - someone sacrificing £10k into a pension would end up paying £640 NI - that’s all.

They would save £4000 in income tax by lowering their taxable earnings, as most who Sal sac are higher rate tax payers.

Net gain of £3360.

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 11:51

@Phonicshaskilledmeoff why were you not worried about economy before the election?!

Negroany · 09/11/2025 11:51

Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 09/11/2025 11:48

The ‘weird’ stamp duty tax - misspoke. I’ve heard all sorts. I’ve already paid stamp duty. I’ve heard I will be re-paying it when I sell it. I’ve also heard I will be paying an annual charge. I’ve no clue what I will be paying. I do no that the government would like to tax me for having a large house- therefore I should probably downsize.

Yes it is a choice to downsize - I may well do that. I’m not sure the government would want to encourage me and others to do that though as it will just push up the prices in the mid priced band

Well, stop basing your opinions on things you "heard", and look into it yourself.

You don't pay stamp duty when you sell. Everyone knows this, so now you sound like you're just trolling.

What "annual charge"? Is this another made up thing that you "heard"?

If you're trying to make serious points, at least get the facts right and try not to "mispeak", whatever that means.

zazazaaarmm · 09/11/2025 11:50

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 09/11/2025 11:41

Bad advice. I stupidly said similar to my kids. Now I tell them to get a great education and a good job in another country.

They might avoid some of tbe best ones unless you educate them a bit better about taxes.

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 11:50

We are not a poor country just a very unequal one.

Correct

Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 09/11/2025 11:50

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 09/11/2025 11:45

But the rumours are in part deliberate destabilisation by opposition forces (and not necessarily just other political parties).

Whatever is announced, people will remember the fear of uncertainty and the fear of the rumours more than the specific detail of any budget announcement.

I’ve never been worried about a budget before. This time im not only worried about my own position, but the economy as a whole

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JamesClyman · 09/11/2025 11:50

Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 09/11/2025 11:48

The ‘weird’ stamp duty tax - misspoke. I’ve heard all sorts. I’ve already paid stamp duty. I’ve heard I will be re-paying it when I sell it. I’ve also heard I will be paying an annual charge. I’ve no clue what I will be paying. I do no that the government would like to tax me for having a large house- therefore I should probably downsize.

Yes it is a choice to downsize - I may well do that. I’m not sure the government would want to encourage me and others to do that though as it will just push up the prices in the mid priced band

What you have "heard" are the usual pre-Budget rumours that fly around every time the Chancellor (of any party) is about to deliver a Budget.

Ignore them. Wait for the Budget and then decide.

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 11:49

and then pay for the public services which most in this country now get for free, since over 50% are net takers.

When people harp on about the above do they realise the biggest % of net takers are pensioners and with an ageing population that means increased net takers?

zazazaaarmm · 09/11/2025 11:49

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 09/11/2025 11:36

I wax talking to my teen yesterday about all the taxes we pay as citizens of this country and I swear even I was shocked at the stuff that was just in the forefront of my mind. I bet I only came up with a tiny portion of it too. It’s bloody depressing.

Income tax
Council tax
Stamp Duty
Inheritance Tax
Fuel duty
Car tax (current petrol and diesel)
VAT
Sugar Tax
Capital Gains Tax
Corporation Tax
Taxed on pensions on the way in and when drawing it down
National Insurance
TV license

Obviously this government then brought in a tax on private education and whatever else they are about to do. I’m sure I’ve missed loads that already exist.

Did you know that the country where people pay the highest taxes in the world has also been voted the happiest country to live in for the last 8 years?
They also have the best public services that people are willing to pay for.
They also have the softest, considered prisons in the world, and are consistently one of the lowest ranking crime countries.

Why we don't look at it far more as a model is because we have a terribly biased press who have pushed an agenda the benefits the most well off. So we have consistently had people voting.The parties that will actually cause them the most harm.

Everlore · 09/11/2025 11:48

Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 09/11/2025 10:01

You are absolutely right. The health issues that I specifically call out were not choices. You didn’t choose anything with regard to your health.

With regard to your life though, were you given any other choices? Or was it easier for the government to out you on PIP or whatever else you are on. Were your choices very limited? Should your government have done more to give you more opportunity?

Countless of these tedious and predictable disabled benefits bashing threads pop up with depressing regularity on MN every week. However, despite many posters on those threads pointing out that PIP is a non-means tested benefit, which one can receive while also working full time, people like the OP still seem unable to fathom this simple fact.
The OP seems to be suggesting that PIP awards are a barrier to employment. This is a ridiculous and ignorant suggestion. I work full time and have been severely disabled all my life, born without eyes and with multiple joint deformities. In order to work and live I need a great deal of specialist equipment, adaptive technology and paid carers. My PIP helps with this, though it does not cover all of the extra costs related to my disability. My employer covers much of the costs of equipment and support at work, in conjunction with government access to work schemes, but in order to actually get to and stay in work, not to mention to look after myself and my family, I require a whole accessible infrastructure outside of work.
If the government removed my PIP tomorrow it would probably make it impossible for me to work so I would end up costing the sainted tax-payers, of whom, despite being a lazy disabled benefits scrounger, I am also one, a lot more money.
Removing PIP would certainly have the opposite effect to the one you claim to be hoping for. No amount of 'insentivisation', in the form of PIP, is holding me back from being 'self-sufficient', just as no amount of pulling myself up by my bootstraps has caused my eyeballs to sprout so far, though maybe I haven't tried hard enough!
While I remain blind there is no amount of encouragement that will make it possible for me to do my job without specialist equipment since I am incapable of using computers, phones or tablets without specialist software, unable to read physical documents unless translated into braille or electronic formats and a number of other tasks essential to most modern workplaces that would also be appropriate for a blind person.
Maybe you should think about cases like mine before declaring that PIP is the enemy of employment.

Blanketenvy · 09/11/2025 11:48

You are talking as though everyone is broadly starting from an even playing field aside from a few exceptions. I think that is incredibly naive. Peoples life chances are hugely affected by the situation they were born into, family wealth and education. There's now a huge divide in the country between people with inherited wealth that then enables them to buy secure housing snt those without and that's before you get onto all the other situations and health issues that can affect the kind of choices you are able to make. We are not a poor country just a very unequal one.

Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 09/11/2025 11:48

HappydaysArehere · 09/11/2025 11:47

Spot on PigletJohn. That has been my observation and opinion for a long time.

That’s not my observation

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Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 09/11/2025 11:48

Negroany · 09/11/2025 11:37

Why are you "worried about stamp duty"? (Also, why is it "weird"?)

If you're not moving, stamp duty has no impact on you.

As for downsizing for a smaller mortgage, well, that's a choice, no? Downside small enough and there won't be any stamp duty.

You're extremely privileged to even own a house. Being "worried about stamp duty" is the preserve of the wealthy.

The government wouldn't take what for care charges/inheritance tax?

Do you genuinely think the government should house elderly people who cannot live independently, for free, so their families (who aren't looking after them) can inherit their money? You think you should buy your own house with no tax, then be housed by the state so your kids can get their hands on your property.

Can you see the privilege dripping from your words?

And as for inheritance tax - only around 6% of estates pay it. Yet it seems to causes so much panic. You do know you only pay any IHT after your offspring have inherited £1m (if you're married and transfer the band of the first deceased, and if you leave your primary home to your offspring)? Is a million not enough for them then?
Have a heart for single people like me, with no kids - I can only leave £325k tax free. But I don't care, I'll be dead.

I can choose to spend down to that level, and then no tax is payable, so I might do that. There's a choice.

I'm afraid you've not given any examples of where you think the government has made policies that remove your ability to make good decisions. All the things you seem to be worried about are things that only the wealthy face.

The ‘weird’ stamp duty tax - misspoke. I’ve heard all sorts. I’ve already paid stamp duty. I’ve heard I will be re-paying it when I sell it. I’ve also heard I will be paying an annual charge. I’ve no clue what I will be paying. I do no that the government would like to tax me for having a large house- therefore I should probably downsize.

Yes it is a choice to downsize - I may well do that. I’m not sure the government would want to encourage me and others to do that though as it will just push up the prices in the mid priced band

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HappydaysArehere · 09/11/2025 11:47

PigletJohn · 09/11/2025 09:55

People who have never been poor like to claim that the poor have an easy and comfortable life.

Spot on PigletJohn. That has been my observation and opinion for a long time.

JamesClyman · 09/11/2025 11:47

".... since over 50% are net takers."

What is your evidence for this statement? @WildLimePoet